Starting all over again
Posted July 22, 2009 at 05:47 PM by Tragik
Well, we did it Sunday.
Myself and the entire core of competency left my old guild.
I'm not the best lock. I'm between 5000-6000 dps on most fights in Ulduar. Nor do any of us think we are.
But it was getting truly ridiculous. We had basically 2.5 effective healers.
We had an emo GM (who was a priest doing about 700 EHPS with 60% OH, which I'm still trying to figure out how that's possible).
Then when we tried to recruit, since we hadn't gotten Yogg yet, we never really got anywhere. I mean we had cleared Ulduar up to him, but our GM consistently wasted times on Hardmodes, Ignis, and Razor instead of saying "Let's go spend the rest of the week on Yogg."
Anyway, the 15 of us left Phoenix Sunday and we're all pretty excited. We've started our own guild and although building it up will take time and we basically don't have enough right now for 25's, we have a solid 10 man team and are looking forward to molding a new guild into competency at the very least.
I don't know if any of the rest of you guys and gals are like me and don't care about server firsts or nailing every achievement for 310% speed drakes (although that would be nice), it still does surprise me how bad some people are. Repeated wipes on trash, poor threat generation, bad DPS.....it was all present.....
And then they get upset when you leave their guild because you aren't there to carry them anymore....and like I said, I'm not anybody who should be responsible for carrying anybody but my own weight.....
I mean, how many of you had a macro for Mimiron to send a tell to your fail GM to move out of the lasers repeatedly?
Yeah....it was that bad........
Anybody else every started their own guild and have any pointers?
Myself and the entire core of competency left my old guild.
I'm not the best lock. I'm between 5000-6000 dps on most fights in Ulduar. Nor do any of us think we are.
But it was getting truly ridiculous. We had basically 2.5 effective healers.
We had an emo GM (who was a priest doing about 700 EHPS with 60% OH, which I'm still trying to figure out how that's possible).
Then when we tried to recruit, since we hadn't gotten Yogg yet, we never really got anywhere. I mean we had cleared Ulduar up to him, but our GM consistently wasted times on Hardmodes, Ignis, and Razor instead of saying "Let's go spend the rest of the week on Yogg."
Anyway, the 15 of us left Phoenix Sunday and we're all pretty excited. We've started our own guild and although building it up will take time and we basically don't have enough right now for 25's, we have a solid 10 man team and are looking forward to molding a new guild into competency at the very least.
I don't know if any of the rest of you guys and gals are like me and don't care about server firsts or nailing every achievement for 310% speed drakes (although that would be nice), it still does surprise me how bad some people are. Repeated wipes on trash, poor threat generation, bad DPS.....it was all present.....
And then they get upset when you leave their guild because you aren't there to carry them anymore....and like I said, I'm not anybody who should be responsible for carrying anybody but my own weight.....
I mean, how many of you had a macro for Mimiron to send a tell to your fail GM to move out of the lasers repeatedly?
Yeah....it was that bad........
Anybody else every started their own guild and have any pointers?
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hehe, a macro to kick the GM's ***... lol
I think you and your mates took the right decision. I don't have any useful experience to share with you, so I just wish you good luck with it.Posted July 22, 2009 at 09:24 PM by lilsteele
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Well before we left, we tried to basically get the GM to give up GM.
But she went ballistic and put on this huge dramatic show.Posted July 23, 2009 at 10:28 AM by Tragik
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I've been in a situation where I took over a guild, and I think I did pretty reasonable with it for a long time, and I won't say I regret the experience and fun, but I will also say it takes an enormous amount of energy to maintain a good 25 person raid guild.
The normal management techniques are the tips that would help you from delegating to good officers, choosing good officers in the first place, remembering to maintain your cool and humor, etc. ALso "Officer's Quarters" on wowinsider.com is a great column. Read some back issues of that column and you'll probably get some good nuggets of advice out.
I personally do believe it is a really big challenge to start a new guild at this exact moment in time though.
I saw a guild or two on our server that broke up and took core "good people" with them and left the rest and I am not sure they are still at a very progressed stage a couple months later and mostly I suspect due to recruitment being very tough during the summer. So many people have a lot of vacations and summer things to do.
You are also competing against guilds that are established and themselves trying to deal with a roster that contains summer vacations and people wanting to spend more time outside for a change of raiding pace etc.
Our guild (of which I am not an officer, just a normal raider
) is definitely recruiting although we're not hurting, but I am sure, just speaking from what I know myself, if we got another decent lock, they'd be raiding as much as they want.
Anyway, the important thing is to have fun. If you believe your guild will be happy for a reasonable while as a crack team burning up 10man until you get the 25 people you need, then you guys will be happy regardless of whether it is tough to recruit quality players during the summer or not. And being happy is really the important part.
Good Luck and Best regards Tragik!
DysonPosted July 24, 2009 at 01:40 PM by dyson
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Hmm. I know you probably want to start your own guild, but that could be problematic during the summer. Maybe you guys should try to just find a more hardcore guild. Maybe try to join Rave or one of the other good guilds on Khadgar.Posted July 25, 2009 at 05:27 AM by sprock
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Rave isn't currently raiding right now.Quote:Originally Posted by sprock
Hmm. I know you probably want to start your own guild, but that could be problematic during the summer. Maybe you guys should try to just find a more hardcore guild. Maybe try to join Rave or one of the other good guilds on Khadgar.
There's really just one really strong guild on Khadgar right now, EWV, at least Alliance side.
Our recruitment goes well though. We have a couple server transfers coming over and we're slowly creeping up as we broke the 20-man threshold.
We have a very strong officer core and are continuing to recruit.
Thanks for your input too, Dyson. Good to hear from somebody else who's been through it.Posted July 28, 2009 at 12:54 PM by Tragik
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Hey Tragik. I am a GM of a very small 10 man Guild on Lethon (my lock, Locknlol is actually my pvP alt, my main's Tehshat, RestoMoo). We have @40 members(mostly alts) but we are the fastest progressing 10 man on Lethon(according to Guildox 10 man strict)
We have one Golden Rule. Keep it simple.
Most of us are RL friends and live near one another. A few are RL friends who live some distance. A couple are recruits who PuG'd with us and enjoyed our company.
I have a Raid leader, so I can focus on our Site and in/out Guild situations. I do read up and study as much as he does in case I need to step in, but I never step on his toes. I trust my officers and respect them, in turn, respect and trust filters throughout our whole Guild.
Talk with your Guild, all members and discuss what the GUILD wants to do, when they want to Raid, how long, etc. Make them a part of the Guild 'investment' and watch as that pays back wonderfully. Everyone has a more of a vested sense of purpose and the Guild works so nicely then.
Feel free to ask me any questions.
Kidsake-RestoMoo and Curses held with sinew and spitePosted August 01, 2009 at 11:39 PM by Kidsake
