Cloth and Cooldowns

[lolotov]

I was doing my BEM dailies today and I helped a spriest avoid death from a few demons he had accidentally pulled. Afterwards, he asked if he could buy my spellcloth cooldowns. The following dialogue occurred:

Him: Hey could I get you to make some spellcloth?
Me: I can't do it for free.
Him: How about mats + 5g
Me: Eh, I'd rather have the cloth. What are you trying to make?
Him: I'm trying to make my spellstrike hood and I need a lot of spellcloth. How much?
Me: mats + 25g and I'd do it.
Me: I have 7 pieces in the bank if you're wanting to buy them. (Don't remember if I said this or not. I think I was typing it when the below happened.)



As of an hour before this conversation, AH prices are listed below, if that matters:

Spellcloth: 54g, 58g bo
Shadowcloth: 44g, 46g bo

Fellow warlocks, was I out of line? Please call me on it if I was.


edit: on a positive note, I was told to L2P for not giving my cooldowns away! :D

[Muberikntyl]

dont worry about it, that guy was clearly a moron. i would have been harsher than you lol.

[SavageBT]

Huh, 25g is the low end for buying a spellcloth cooldown in my experience. Epic fliers aren't free, you did the right thing. You were also a LOT more restrained that most people I know.

Interesting slightly related story - I recently leveled 'chanting for the ring enchants, thought I'd see if I could sell it for tips. First taker was 5g tip, happy with that, second I hearthed to shat for him and got 1g tip, didn't complain and moved on. Next person wanted +6stats to chest (vendor recipe) his mats + tip... I did the chant and he put 50G in the trade window! told him it was way too much and finally settled on 25G 0.o
Apparently I was the first person to refuse his huge tip

[Cynic]

I'd have put him on ignore somewhere between him telling me that's bullshit and him telling me to l2p. I really have no time for people like that, and I agree.. saving cloth cooldowns for guildies > 5-10g.

You really were pretty restrained.. lol. Good on you for not letting them walk over you though.

[lolotov]

Originally Posted by SavageBT

Huh, 25g is the low end for buying a spellcloth cooldown in my experience. Epic fliers aren't free, you did the right thing. You were also a LOT more restrained that most people I know.

Yup, I thought 25g was low too. Basically, when you buy a cooldown, you're buying the cloth, I don't care if you have the mats or not. I have mats. Mats are not the issue. The issue is the 4-days between the chance that I have to make the cloth. I understand that the cooldown shouldn't cost the same as the cloth (otherwise just go hit up the AH and dont bother me), but still, you have to make it worth my while. If spellcloth is AH'ing for 55g or so, I figure 40g is reasonable.

Interesting slightly related story - I recently leveled 'chanting for the ring enchants, thought I'd see if I could sell it for tips. First taker was 5g tip, happy with that, second I hearthed to shat for him and got 1g tip, didn't complain and moved on. Next person wanted +6stats to chest (vendor recipe) his mats + tip... I did the chant and he put 50G in the trade window! told him it was way too much and finally settled on 25G 0.o
Apparently I was the first person to refuse his huge tip

Woah! I tend to try and tip really well like that. I've gotten several free gems and such from that kind of behavior. Plus, it comes back to you - as an enchanter, if I tip my JC really well, he'll come to me for his enchants and tip me well.

I'd have put him on ignore somewhere between him telling me that's bullshit and him telling me to l2p. I really have no time for people like that, and I agree.. saving cloth cooldowns for guildies > 5-10g.

You really were pretty restrained.. lol. Good on you for not letting them walk over you though.

You have no idea man, I just wanted to rip into him. I didn't for two reasons really: 1.) he WAS on my friend's list. Back when I first crafted my FSW, I found him in trade and we traded the spellcloth/shadowcloth like he mentioned a few times. I would have been more than happy to do an equal trade, but he never offered. Anyway, 2.) I was trying to be reasonable and not a jerk. I was trying to make it clear that I didn't care what the market said the price was (which I don't know how the **** he got 5g for a cooldown like that...), but that it was my own price based on my perceived worth of them - completely irrelevant to market. Sadly, it didn't stick and he ended up being a dick. Meh, the 'lock I've taken under my wing will get his hood before this guy now, and I'm going to love handing it over even more now


I've never experienced this with enchanting. I do enchanting the cheap way though: I never have mats. If you bring me mats, it's free. I don't even ask for a tip. Then, it's truely at no cost to me, so I don't mind at all. It's kind of like marketing when you do those 'free' ones where people provide the mats. Otherwise, the price is whatever I have to pay to get the mats off the AH. If I have to get them off the AH, I usually mark them up by 10-20% depending on what it is. Part of that is because I don't want to have to deal with the odd-numbered stacks of whatever is on the AH. With enchanting people tend to tip well. Some people don't tip on the 'free' ones, which is fine.

On another note, I got a friend to do 5 primal might transmutes for me, he asked for 5g a piece. I paid him 50g for all 5. I paid him more because he's my friend of course, and I noticed that primal mights on my server are only ever marked up a few measely gold than the mats to make them cost. Kinda sucks for alchemists. Overpaying though got me free transmutes if I need them (he's not using 'em) and he farmed two stacks of nightmare vine for me for the sup. wizard oils.

To sum it all up: if you pay well for cooldowns, I'd likely give you a cooldown for free if I wasn't needing the cloth.

[Pervlock]

Yeah, playing nice and bein fair does get you a long way.
I did a bunch of free enchants ( my matrhs to ) and in return later on i got a bunch of rugged and nothide leather for free to.
Helpe achother out is nice, way nice. Do good get good is what they say in general.
But more, i enjoy life better this way.

No i get good maths, good enchants, good jewelry and everything else i need relatively cheap. Love that to
Everybody benefits now.

But i wont have someone force my hand and give out stuff i dont want to. If i offer thats nice, if you ask, make me a good offer unless i am in a good mood. Try and force my hand into giving stuff away for wich i may have better targets ( guildies, flyer, own gear ) then i would have em get lost to, no matter what. You have been very polite to him in my opinion ;)