New to WoW, New to the Forums, simple question.

NdranC · August 20, 2008, 08:23 PM

First of all... Great comunity. I have being checking the forums for quite some time, since i like warlocks a lot (summoner classes in general). I never posted anything before because i was trying WoW on some private servers before decide... now i DID decide and now im playing on retail on a RP realms since that was a friend thought it was best for a newby like me.

Ok so the point is... I already check i think all of the threads related to tailoring and profesions, but many of them seems to be very end game oriented answers. I know there are a few that talk about leveling warlocks, but i dont seem to get a clear answer from those.

The question:

Is it really worth it to level up tailoring along with a gathering prof (probably mining for the money)? is tailoring gonna provide really usefull gear that in most cases im sertanly not gonna get by questing/grinding at that point of my level or even buying if i instad chose to have two gathering prof instead of just one? and if that so... Is there any semi-table or something resemble to that would help me to know when i should stop questing/grinding and should level tailoring to get a new recipe or train a skill taht will lead me to nice reward?

If you could go straigh to the point and give me an experienced advice it will be much appreciated (i know tailoring is the best cos of FSW set, but that is endgame stuff, i could pick two gathering, be rich and then powerlevel tailoring... what do you think?)

Fenixofdeath · August 20, 2008, 08:36 PM

i'd go with the double gathering professions route, because in my experience, leveling tailoring while leveling your character isn't as beneficial as making money on the herbs, ores, and leathers that you can gather

as long as you save all or most of the cloth you loot, you can powerlvl tailoring at 70 easily
then again, with the expansion on the way, the tailoring endgame gear for 70 will be less useful than the money you can make from gathering while lvling 70-80
so you might want to take that into consideration

King Crab · August 20, 2008, 08:46 PM

Ok, first off... I personally don't like RP servers... not big on that, but that's just my opinion.

Well, it's hard not to judge things on endgame because that is where you will spend of most of your time playing. To answer your question about "when" to level up your proffession, there's really not a good or bad time to do it. I personally only do it on my alts when they are in a city, which only happens when I go train new spells. The cool thing about tailoring is that you don't need anything special like an anvil to work until much later on, so you can technically just do it whenever your bags get full or something to get rid of some cloth.

As far as your suggestion for powerleveling tailoring goes, that's not a bad idea. Only problem there is that you would need to save ALL the cloth that you gather to really keep any money that you make extra. Also, you won't really make any reasonable amounts of money with gathering (by reasonable i mean enough to be actually rich) until outlands, and that's if you never buy anything off the auction house. Also, this would mean you'd have to drop a proffession that you have already worked on, which I have problems doing (feels like I just wasted a bunch of time).

I actually did herb/tailor with my lock (first toon on my current server), and it was pretty enjoyable. Plus, I never had any money trouble until I started saving up for my epic flyer (this was back when the only dailies that existed were the skettis and BEM ones, and I hadn't done the ogrilla quest ones). Even then, it wasn't too bad.

Recently I decided to make a new lock on the same server, both horde. I figured I'd make him a higher dps lock, so i made him an orc with tailoring/enchanting. Enchanting sucks to level upwhen you have no mains to mooch from, but if you do it becomes far easier.

NdranC · August 20, 2008, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by King Crab

Ok, first off... I personally don't like RP servers... not big on that, but that's just my opinion.

I see... I personaly never did any RP, but find it a bit interesting. I do like PvP realms cos they make me sweat while questing.

Since you brought it up... Im now level 7. Is really a PvP server that much trouble for a person that probably will solo a lot and quest a lot?

If thats the case... Do RP servers become a time consuming machine that will not let you enjoy unless you are hardcore RP player?

PS: so far your reaplys make me think better go mining/skinning or herb/skinning or mining/herb.

Thx for the advices... i know the last question is off-topic. But i dont wanna mess the forum with quick threads.

Cakrinolas · August 20, 2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NdranC

I see... I personaly never did any RP, but find it a bit interesting. I do like PvP realms cos they make me sweat while questing.

Since you brought it up... Im now level 7. Is really a PvP server that much trouble for a person that probably will solo a lot and quest a lot?

If thats the case... Do RP servers become a time consuming machine that will not let you enjoy unless you are hardcore RP player?

PS: so far your reaplys make me think better go mining/skinning or herb/skinning or mining/herb.

Thx for the advices... i know the last question is off-topic. But i dont wanna mess the forum with quick threads.

While I don't have anything to add in regards to professions that hasn't already been said, I'd like to answer your question about RP servers. I play on Feathermoon, and RP server, and it's all right. You don't have to RP all the time, and in fact hardly anyone actually does roleplay all of the time. Usually, you roleplay with your friends, though sometimes you can stumble upon meetings in pubs, or out in the world, and participate.

All-in-all, RP servers aren't bad. However, if I could, I would transfer my warlock to a PvP server, simply because I have a computer that can handle PvP now, and I'm nearing 70, so some world PvP would be fun.

I would not personally recommend PvP servers for newbies, as you'll have to work even harder at leveling when you're constantly running back to your grave.

And there I have opined. Welcome to WoW! And good choice on your first class!

HCLars · August 20, 2008, 10:36 PM

There are certain level ranges in the game where crafted gear is going to be more readily available to you than actual upgrade's, especially as a shadow caster. You don't need tailoring for leveling you can easily just bank the mats for the gear you want and tip a 70 tailor to make it for you, most of the good Bop tailoring stuff is at 70 anyway.

Your best bet is probably dual gathering herbalism or mining and skinning. Make sure you train your first aid up, it's always a good thing to have in a pinch. Once you hit the late 60's -70 you can Very Very easily power level your tailoring up to get the Frozen shadoweave gear or what ever you happen to be going for.

As far as Carebear(rp/pve) vs pvp, it's really just a matter of taste. On a pve/rp server you wont have to worry about being ganked/griefed/camped but In My Humble Opinion you loose the experience of avoiding gank specific area's and learning how to avoid/survive in the wild against the enemy faction. It's frustrating at times but it is only a game and you can always log out take a break and come back in 20 minutes and continue what you were doing. I always saw it as a waste of time to level a character i wanted to pvp with on a non-pvp realm, because you can't transfer from rp or pve to pvp. thus causing you to Re-roll another toon(pain).

In summary as long as you are planning ahead for your gear choice's and saving up mats you happen accross you can easily get the tailored goods you want from another player without actually needing to level the profession your self. Pvp>Rp (imho) but thats a matter of opinion and taste specific to each player.

nitromoose · August 20, 2008, 10:42 PM

Tailoring can help a lock out as you level. There is a lock quest that requires tailoring to make the robes of arcana (I think) that end up being golden robes or something. There is also the shadoweave set that you can get from mid 30's to mid 40's that is great for our shadow damage, and from looking at Cpimps guide there is at least one more good set for locks pre end game, but from what I have not been able to make any of those with the level of tailoring I had at the time I needed those sets so I had to find a higher level lock to make them with mats I had farmed.

The problem I have ran into with leveling tailoring while I level my lock is that I started a little later than I should have. It's not that bad to level as you go, using cloth drops from mobs, but you have to keep your tailoring up with where you are leveling. I've found myself taking on mobs that drop wool when I need linen, silk when I need wool, mageweave when I need silk and so on.

This wouldn't have been that big of a problem but I was leveling first aid and turning in cloth for rep/exp (it's my first char, gimme a break) so I didn't have a ton of cloth in the bank when my tailoring was up to the level where I needed it. Now I'm trying to play catchup, but the price on wool and silk is outrageous on my server.

On the upswing if you run tailoring and enchanting at the same time you can DE most everyting you make then sell the de mats on the AH. Kind of takes place of your gathering professions. I ran from 0 to 70 or so just from disenchanting greens, kept me in coin, and helped to pay for my wifes first mount as well. But don't forget to keep some of those mats to enchant gear later on after you stop getting levels from disenchanting.

If I had it to do again I would likely take a gathering prof and (dis)enchanting and then power level up tailoring when I got to the point in the game where it would be most helpful (level 80 by the time you and I get to end-game). That way you can make some gold from your gathering, and bank mats/make gold from disenchanthing greens/blues you pick up on the way. There are plenty of good guides that lay out the cheapest/easiest/fastest way to level any of the crafting profs to help you powerlevel when you're ready.

Ok, that was long and a little everywhere, but remember, it's the journey, not the dest.

Nyanna · August 20, 2008, 10:52 PM

Mining and then either herb/skinning as far as professions go.
While you can make your own gear as you level up there isn't much you can make that is loads better than what you can quest for or buy on the auction house. Levelling up is so fast now with the quest changes that any gear you do make/buy only lasts a little time before it needs upgrading.
So mine and herb/skin, sell everything and make loads of money, then when you approach 70 buy what you need and get tailoring to 375 and make your decent stuff then

It may save you a little if you save any cloth you get as you level up, but lower end cloth is relatively cheap to buy (at least up to mageweave), and at 70 you can farm as much cloth as you like anyway.
Enchanting complements tailoring very well but is very expensive to level, and really other than the ring enchants you can buy any enchants you need off others. Decide now if you are going to swap to enchanting later on tho, if you are then save every green/blue item you outgrow or don't need as it will save you a fortune in the long run. Even if you have to send every bind on equip item to an alt you make to save.

NdranC · August 20, 2008, 11:13 PM

Damm now i have it clear about profs and got confused about the realms.

About the profs... i probably gonna do mining/skinning or mining/herb depending on what my audictioner addon says :P and later on, maybe midgame im gonna drop one for eather tailor/engenering/enchanting and later on since people tell me at level 70s you can pretty much keep the money flowing with out a gathering profesion. BTW is that true? :o

As far as realms... well I just delete reroll on a pve server Quel'dora to be more specific, and to be honest when i played in a private server (they had 5000 people on) it was pvp, i had a preaty rough/fun time at desolance. I was allways alert and learned a few tricks with some classes. So i think is fun. BUT more or less all the people i founf was in my level range. Maybe a few high level guarding some lowbie friend but i never was camped/ganked

MY FEAR is that pvp servers on retail, having a more large/pro population and usually 70% of them alrady reached level 70 (acording to warcraftrealms) im afraid i just cant move without getting killed by some level 70 guy.

And since eventually my goal is to go to a pvp server. It makes me wonder... would the pain to level/quest on a pvp server be comparable to reroll on a diferent server after getting tons of stuff on a pve/rp and STILL having to suffer the pain of rerolling + ganked?

Would that "experience" and "knowledge" i would learn about WoW on a PvE realm make the diference when i reroll?

PS: Im sooooo sorry to deliveraly going off-topic. I know its worng... But yet again, i dont wanna make a new silly thread to ask this and tell my story again. Thx so much for your answers you are a great comunity that im glad i found and join ^^ (little ps: fell free to recomend a realm by name, im playing right now and i have no problem rerolling from a level 6 char :P)

Malboro · August 20, 2008, 11:53 PM

About profession this is my advice:

- level 1-70: herbalism and mining (2 gathering that provide the most income. Use herbalism radar because mines are easier to spot. Once in a while you might need to go out to level up mining)

- level 70: drop mining and level up tailoring. Herbalism is an extremely useful profession since you will always need herbs for pots, elixirs and flasks. What you don't need, sell. Tailoring allows you to equip yourself in epic gear that will last for a long time... and will make your game a lot more fun, even if you don't plan to do end game raiding.

August 20, 2008, 08:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
NdranC Member Character Info Zelkovah 70 Blood Elf Warlock Cho'gall US PvP Guild: WARPARTY Profile: Magelo Talent Spec: 0/53/8	New to WoW, New to the Forums, simple question. First of all... Great comunity. I have being checking the forums for quite some time, since i like warlocks a lot (summoner classes in general). I never posted anything before because i was trying WoW on some private servers before decide... now i DID decide and now im playing on retail on a RP realms since that was a friend thought it was best for a newby like me. Ok so the point is... I already check i think all of the threads related to tailoring and profesions, but many of them seems to be very end game oriented answers. I know there are a few that talk about leveling warlocks, but i dont seem to get a clear answer from those. The question: Is it really worth it to level up tailoring along with a gathering prof (probably mining for the money)? is tailoring gonna provide really usefull gear that in most cases im sertanly not gonna get by questing/grinding at that point of my level or even buying if i instad chose to have two gathering prof instead of just one? and if that so... Is there any semi-table or something resemble to that would help me to know when i should stop questing/grinding and should level tailoring to get a new recipe or train a skill taht will lead me to nice reward? If you could go straigh to the point and give me an experienced advice it will be much appreciated (i know tailoring is the best cos of FSW set, but that is endgame stuff, i could pick two gathering, be rich and then powerlevel tailoring... what do you think?)

August 20, 2008, 08:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
Fenixofdeath Lurker Character Info Fenixofdeath 70 Undead Warlock Archimonde US PvP Guild: Devils of Kimone Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 7/43/11	Re: New to WoW, New to the Forums, simple question. i'd go with the double gathering professions route, because in my experience, leveling tailoring while leveling your character isn't as beneficial as making money on the herbs, ores, and leathers that you can gather as long as you save all or most of the cloth you loot, you can powerlvl tailoring at 70 easily then again, with the expansion on the way, the tailoring endgame gear for 70 will be less useful than the money you can make from gathering while lvling 70-80 so you might want to take that into consideration

August 20, 2008, 08:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
King Crab Lurker Character Info Satalitetv 70 Blood Elf Warlock Ravencrest US PvE Guild: Relic Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: New to WoW, New to the Forums, simple question. Ok, first off... I personally don't like RP servers... not big on that, but that's just my opinion. Well, it's hard not to judge things on endgame because that is where you will spend of most of your time playing. To answer your question about "when" to level up your proffession, there's really not a good or bad time to do it. I personally only do it on my alts when they are in a city, which only happens when I go train new spells. The cool thing about tailoring is that you don't need anything special like an anvil to work until much later on, so you can technically just do it whenever your bags get full or something to get rid of some cloth. As far as your suggestion for powerleveling tailoring goes, that's not a bad idea. Only problem there is that you would need to save ALL the cloth that you gather to really keep any money that you make extra. Also, you won't really make any reasonable amounts of money with gathering (by reasonable i mean enough to be actually rich) until outlands, and that's if you never buy anything off the auction house. Also, this would mean you'd have to drop a proffession that you have already worked on, which I have problems doing (feels like I just wasted a bunch of time). I actually did herb/tailor with my lock (first toon on my current server), and it was pretty enjoyable. Plus, I never had any money trouble until I started saving up for my epic flyer (this was back when the only dailies that existed were the skettis and BEM ones, and I hadn't done the ogrilla quest ones). Even then, it wasn't too bad. Recently I decided to make a new lock on the same server, both horde. I figured I'd make him a higher dps lock, so i made him an orc with tailoring/enchanting. Enchanting sucks to level upwhen you have no mains to mooch from, but if you do it becomes far easier.

August 20, 2008, 10:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
HCLars Not Playing Wrath Character Info Badlock 70 Undead Warlock Garithos US PvP Guild: Among Brothers	Re: New to WoW, New to the Forums, simple question. There are certain level ranges in the game where crafted gear is going to be more readily available to you than actual upgrade's, especially as a shadow caster. You don't need tailoring for leveling you can easily just bank the mats for the gear you want and tip a 70 tailor to make it for you, most of the good Bop tailoring stuff is at 70 anyway. Your best bet is probably dual gathering herbalism or mining and skinning. Make sure you train your first aid up, it's always a good thing to have in a pinch. Once you hit the late 60's -70 you can Very Very easily power level your tailoring up to get the Frozen shadoweave gear or what ever you happen to be going for. As far as Carebear(rp/pve) vs pvp, it's really just a matter of taste. On a pve/rp server you wont have to worry about being ganked/griefed/camped but In My Humble Opinion you loose the experience of avoiding gank specific area's and learning how to avoid/survive in the wild against the enemy faction. It's frustrating at times but it is only a game and you can always log out take a break and come back in 20 minutes and continue what you were doing. I always saw it as a waste of time to level a character i wanted to pvp with on a non-pvp realm, because you can't transfer from rp or pve to pvp. thus causing you to Re-roll another toon(pain). In summary as long as you are planning ahead for your gear choice's and saving up mats you happen accross you can easily get the tailored goods you want from another player without actually needing to level the profession your self. Pvp>Rp (imho) but thats a matter of opinion and taste specific to each player.

August 20, 2008, 10:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
nitromoose Member Character Info Merrem 71 Blood Elf Warlock Draenor US PvE Guild: Gods of the Horde Talent Spec: 21/41/0	Re: New to WoW, New to the Forums, simple question. Tailoring can help a lock out as you level. There is a lock quest that requires tailoring to make the robes of arcana (I think) that end up being golden robes or something. There is also the shadoweave set that you can get from mid 30's to mid 40's that is great for our shadow damage, and from looking at Cpimps guide there is at least one more good set for locks pre end game, but from what I have not been able to make any of those with the level of tailoring I had at the time I needed those sets so I had to find a higher level lock to make them with mats I had farmed. The problem I have ran into with leveling tailoring while I level my lock is that I started a little later than I should have. It's not that bad to level as you go, using cloth drops from mobs, but you have to keep your tailoring up with where you are leveling. I've found myself taking on mobs that drop wool when I need linen, silk when I need wool, mageweave when I need silk and so on. This wouldn't have been that big of a problem but I was leveling first aid and turning in cloth for rep/exp (it's my first char, gimme a break) so I didn't have a ton of cloth in the bank when my tailoring was up to the level where I needed it. Now I'm trying to play catchup, but the price on wool and silk is outrageous on my server. On the upswing if you run tailoring and enchanting at the same time you can DE most everyting you make then sell the de mats on the AH. Kind of takes place of your gathering professions. I ran from 0 to 70 or so just from disenchanting greens, kept me in coin, and helped to pay for my wifes first mount as well. But don't forget to keep some of those mats to enchant gear later on after you stop getting levels from disenchanting. If I had it to do again I would likely take a gathering prof and (dis)enchanting and then power level up tailoring when I got to the point in the game where it would be most helpful (level 80 by the time you and I get to end-game). That way you can make some gold from your gathering, and bank mats/make gold from disenchanthing greens/blues you pick up on the way. There are plenty of good guides that lay out the cheapest/easiest/fastest way to level any of the crafting profs to help you powerlevel when you're ready. Ok, that was long and a little everywhere, but remember, it's the journey, not the dest.

August 20, 2008, 10:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
Nyanna Registered Character Info Nyanna 70 Human Warlock Dragonblight Euro PvE Guild: Raiders of the Lost Orc Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: New to WoW, New to the Forums, simple question. Mining and then either herb/skinning as far as professions go. While you can make your own gear as you level up there isn't much you can make that is loads better than what you can quest for or buy on the auction house. Levelling up is so fast now with the quest changes that any gear you do make/buy only lasts a little time before it needs upgrading. So mine and herb/skin, sell everything and make loads of money, then when you approach 70 buy what you need and get tailoring to 375 and make your decent stuff then It may save you a little if you save any cloth you get as you level up, but lower end cloth is relatively cheap to buy (at least up to mageweave), and at 70 you can farm as much cloth as you like anyway. Enchanting complements tailoring very well but is very expensive to level, and really other than the ring enchants you can buy any enchants you need off others. Decide now if you are going to swap to enchanting later on tho, if you are then save every green/blue item you outgrow or don't need as it will save you a fortune in the long run. Even if you have to send every bind on equip item to an alt you make to save.

August 20, 2008, 11:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
NdranC Member Character Info Zelkovah 70 Blood Elf Warlock Cho'gall US PvP Guild: WARPARTY Profile: Magelo Talent Spec: 0/53/8	Re: New to WoW, New to the Forums, simple question. Damm now i have it clear about profs and got confused about the realms. About the profs... i probably gonna do mining/skinning or mining/herb depending on what my audictioner addon says :P and later on, maybe midgame im gonna drop one for eather tailor/engenering/enchanting and later on since people tell me at level 70s you can pretty much keep the money flowing with out a gathering profesion. BTW is that true? :o As far as realms... well I just delete reroll on a pve server Quel'dora to be more specific, and to be honest when i played in a private server (they had 5000 people on) it was pvp, i had a preaty rough/fun time at desolance. I was allways alert and learned a few tricks with some classes. So i think is fun. BUT more or less all the people i founf was in my level range. Maybe a few high level guarding some lowbie friend but i never was camped/ganked MY FEAR is that pvp servers on retail, having a more large/pro population and usually 70% of them alrady reached level 70 (acording to warcraftrealms) im afraid i just cant move without getting killed by some level 70 guy. And since eventually my goal is to go to a pvp server. It makes me wonder... would the pain to level/quest on a pvp server be comparable to reroll on a diferent server after getting tons of stuff on a pve/rp and STILL having to suffer the pain of rerolling + ganked? Would that "experience" and "knowledge" i would learn about WoW on a PvE realm make the diference when i reroll? PS: Im sooooo sorry to deliveraly going off-topic. I know its worng... But yet again, i dont wanna make a new silly thread to ask this and tell my story again. Thx so much for your answers you are a great comunity that im glad i found and join ^^ (little ps: fell free to recomend a realm by name, im playing right now and i have no problem rerolling from a level 6 char :P)

August 20, 2008, 11:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
Malboro Member Character Info Malbabo 70 Gnome Warlock Sen´Jin US PvE Guild: Cult of the Dead Cow Talent Spec: 0/21/40	Re: New to WoW, New to the Forums, simple question. About profession this is my advice: - level 1-70: herbalism and mining (2 gathering that provide the most income. Use herbalism radar because mines are easier to spot. Once in a while you might need to go out to level up mining) - level 70: drop mining and level up tailoring. Herbalism is an extremely useful profession since you will always need herbs for pots, elixirs and flasks. What you don't need, sell. Tailoring allows you to equip yourself in epic gear that will last for a long time... and will make your game a lot more fun, even if you don't plan to do end game raiding.