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Published by Turmeric
June 19, 2007 |
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latifa 70 Undead Warlock arak arahm Euro PvP Guild: Escape Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/40/21 |
Re: A Guide to Effective Soulstoning
Nice guide. Some things I would add: 1/ As far as wipe prevention is concerned, unless as stated in the guide, there a specific class/ player that's critical for the fight, I would recommend placing the soulstone "by default" in this order: paladin (better combat survivability on rezzing), priest, shaman (has ankh) and druid (rez CD). 2/ It's sometimes our role to remind the soulstoned teammate that he should mind party wipes and do he's best to die in a "safe" place where he will not draw aggro on rezzing. 3/ If you're the only warlock in the party and there's still a few minutes CD running and the party is about to start a boss fight, it's a good idea to craft a soulstone in advance: you'll just have to apply the soulstone during the fight, saving your precisous in fight time and mana. 4/ If there are 2 or more warlocks in the raid/party, they should agree together on a soulstoning rotation. 5/ Install an add on such as Necrosis LdC which will give you a visual/audio cue when it's time to reapply a soulstone |
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Re: A Guide to Effective Soulstoning
During raids, another reason we SS pallys is that if a pally dies in a bad position, he can rez and since he'll have 0 threat, he can usually run and DI a rezzer who is in a good position (e.g. who won't aggro the boss when he pops his DI). For this to work, you need to make sure that the pally's DI isn't up, and he understands this basic strat should he die in a bad spot. |
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Re: A Guide to Effective Soulstoning
SSing warriors and rogues? No way. You shouldn't waste a SS on them because they dont know how to run. You NEVER put a SS on a tank. if the tank dies, then its a wipe anyways. The healers should be able to keep the tank up/ other people so you should keep it on the healer so you can quick pop up and restart without respawns. If a healer dies, its more then likely a wipe. I dont care who argues with this, but it is usually. The tank will die, the DPS will die, its a wipe. THen you have to run back and then get all the way to a room if you are far into the instance, before respawns AND kill the boss. Also on Prince, if you lose a meele dps early on, its not gonna be an instant wipe. I've seen Prince die with the MT, one DPS, and 2 healers up (thats when he was at 10 percent although) but still, more then likely that is not going to happen for you and its a wipe. Have a nice run back. |
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Majestrix 80 Human Warlock Kargath US PvE Guild: Keepers of the Old Ways Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 1/55/15 |
Re: A Guide to Effective Soulstoning
i'd have to agree with Kadefy. Why SS a rogue? Did he forget to vanish or was he just stupid? Your best choice is almost always a pally, followed by your main healer. The difference as you said is if you are trying to rez after a wipe or trying to prevent one. Maj
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Peppermort 70 Human Warlock Jubei'Thos Oceania PvP Guild: Tortured Reality Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 43/0/19 |
Re: A Guide to Effective Soulstoning
A good idea for a guide, soulstoning is often done without much thought ("just put it on a pally"), but it can be used so much better than that. I had a couple of thoughts prompted by your guide: 1. You mentioned establishing a soulstoning rotation when multiple warlocks are present. How about multiple simultaneous soulstoning (for wipe prevention obviously), any comments/thoughts on that? For example, soulstone a healer and an important dps for dps race fights or something. Any particular recommendations on whether having multiple soulstones simultaneously in play is a good or bad thing, and how to spread them out? 2. You said never ever put a soulstone on a tank because they can't get threat back. And that's all i've ever heard on the subject from various sources. But the mechanics of taunt sets your threat equal to that of the current highest person I believe. If that's the case, why wouldn't the tank be able to get back up on top of threat? Is it just because many (most?) bosses are immune to taunt? Are there any bosses not immune to taunt where soulstoning a tank might actually be recommendable? Perhaps Nalorakk for example? |
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Re: A Guide to Effective Soulstoning
Sorry Peppermort, but when you have multiple warlocks in a raid and you all soulstone different people, on the same fight, you are just asking for a run back. For Example: Your killing Lurker in SSC. Every Warlock has a SS on pallys/priest whatever. MT dies and then the back up tank is not tanking. Normally backup tanks aren't as good and in a 25 man boss, losing a MT usually means a wipe (not always) Now your getting close ot the respawn timer So lets say you guys die and whatnot. Well good the healers pop up and rez everybody and here comes try two. Lets just say something happens and the MT and OT die, healers die, DPS next. Now, you have to have 25 PEOPLE RUN BACK. You know how long that takes? FOREVER... so now everybody is back, you guys are getting healed and then: Wham! there goes a healer, and thats when you turn around and your AFK MT is getting smashed into the ground by respawns. Now a way to fix this is is simple. 1 SS ON 1 TARGET EVERY 30 MINUTES. SO if you all die, then die again, then again... your GTG. Last thing, lets say you put a SS on the MT and he dies, but oh look he pops back up! YAY we are all saved. Then guess what the MT gets to do? Wait for a heal, and get ALL the aggro back ASAP, then PASS the OT. That there will take a long time since DPS is usually plowing as hard as they can into Lurker or any boss. So, pretty much there is hardly any wipe prevention and usuing more then 1 soulstone on a fight is just plain idiotic. btw, your not gonna have an abundance of warlocks. About 2-3 is usual amount or less. No one raids with 5+ warlocks. |
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Luxury 80 Blood Elf Warlock Deathwing US PvP Guild: Addiction Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 54/0/17 |
Re: A Guide to Effective Soulstoning
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And my guild usually SS's the druid healer if there's one then the MH if there's two. Reason: If you lose a tank, your OT should be able to hold aggro. Your DPS should know how to loosen up. If you lose a couple DPS, they should learn to not get killed. If you lose Healers, your pretty much screwed. Giving the soulstone to a druid healer allows them to battle ress an important member of the fight if they haven't used it already (which is usually the case as we normally wait a little to see if we're going to wipe before we battle ress). Thus effectively giving TWO resses in the fight, vs just one. |
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Turmeric 70 Gnome Warlock Aszune Euro PvE Guild: Origin Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: A Guide to Effective Soulstoning
Update as above, thanks for replies, and apologies for such a long delay in any updates. I wanted to wait until i had some more encounter experience under my belt and I've since been to MH and BT and experience the GY runs and first few bosses in each, so updated accordingly. Re: The soulstoning of rogues etc. whilst it is rare the concept of this guide is to educate people to realise the difference between failing to kill a boss and quickly getting ready for another try versus managing to get that first kill. Bosses like KT and Lady Vashj are very unforgiving and anything you can do to maximise your chance to loot them should be tried. |
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Turmeric 70 Gnome Warlock Aszune Euro PvE Guild: Origin Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
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