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April 17, 2008, 09:32 AM
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Paradiselost 70 Undead Warlock IceCrown US PvE Guild: Peons no More Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Does haste compensate for lack of crit?
I was wondering if I could have your input on this? I was an Aff Lock for a very long time and now after having mustered up 139 haste I thought “Could this haste make up for my lack of crit(which is 15% btw)?”. So I plugged my numbers into www.maxdps.com and it seems as dest I get a 300 dps boost. Should I trust their numbers and raid with this spec or wait till I have the 20% base crit? Sorry if this was posted in some form already I did a quick search nothing too thorough.
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April 17, 2008, 09:44 AM
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Re: Does haste compensate for lack of crit?
Interesting. Technically Hit > damage > haste > Crit assuming 20% TT but lacking that crit rating then having the haste might offset that to some extent (also checking armory you appear to have 17.38% crit which is quite telling insomuch that its pretty darn close to where it theoretically needs to be) I haven't time to check right now but if you plug in your numbers here: WoW Warlock DPS Spreadsheet Via the spreadsheet you might get either a completely different result, or you might get some corroboration.
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April 17, 2008, 10:13 AM
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Paradiselost 70 Undead Warlock IceCrown US PvE Guild: Peons no More Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Does haste compensate for lack of crit?
Well that 17.38% is really 14.38% since I don't count the 3% from backlash. And at first glance that spreadsheet seems a bit overwhelming lol. But I'll wait till I get home to get a better look when I don't feel rushed. Thanks again for your input. More input is more than welcomed.
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April 17, 2008, 11:41 AM
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Tzarina 80 Human Warlock Argent Dawn Euro RP Guild: Blackrock Diving School Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/1/17 |
Re: Does haste compensate for lack of crit?
Why don't you count the 3% for Backlash?
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April 17, 2008, 11:43 AM
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Paradiselost 70 Undead Warlock IceCrown US PvE Guild: Peons no More Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Does haste compensate for lack of crit?
Cause I always wanted a base of 20% crit not counting talents. If I counted Backlash I could count Devestation with it's 5%.
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April 17, 2008, 11:49 AM
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Re: Does haste compensate for lack of crit?
The rule of thumb is 20% Tooltip crit - The Tooltip includes backlash but excludes devastation. Your personal preference may be that you want a 20% base not including talents but theorycrafting supports slightly less crit than you are aiming for  For the spreadsheet, selsect 21/40 and load that. Next up you merely use the drop-down menu to add your gear/gems/enchants and you can then play around with spell rotations/stats/buffs as much as you'd like - bear with it.
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April 17, 2008, 12:13 PM
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Nietzsche 70 Undead Warlock Nordrassil Euro PvE Guild: Dragon Legion Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Does haste compensate for lack of crit?
Very Interesting. I have been using Leulier's spreadsheet for a while, and after a few recent gear upgrades decided to see what my DPS would be with different specs. I was surpirsed to see a significant increase over my affliction build if I swtiched to destro (with casting CoD) and a slight increase if casting CoS. The reason for surprise was the 13% TT Crit. My stats are: 202 Hit 6% Haste 1250 SDmg 13% Crit Spreadsheet DPS: Afflic - 1850 Destro CoD - 2050 Destro CoS - 1850 Demo - 2300 (with FG Alive..not sure it would be this good if he died!) (All figures are there or there abouts, I am at work and doing this from memory). The reason for my surprise..that Destro appeared to offer me a DPS upgrade where I had been gearing for Afflic. I have picked up some crit by default, and the addition of the haste was purely because they were upgrades 'in-slot', I got lucky with the pattern for the shoulders on the AH, knew an old guildy who would craft the braces for me and put the effort in to buy the HoD's from a well progressed guild. My main rationalisation is that haste may have filled a crit gap. I have also considered the impact on ISB uptime (although my contribution will actually be slightly better) but we have a shortage of shadow casters in the guild, with only an occasional SP and one other regular lock running. With the diminishing returns from crit towards ISB uptime, it may not be as significant as I thought. I have decided to try Fg Demo without 2 T5 and VST for a week to see if it is worth investing in 2 T5 (which I have so far always passed on). If I find a noticable difference it may be time to start to spend some DKP. I may follow that with a week of Destro and do a WWS comparison. I will probably return to my old afflic lock raid utility spec, but it will be an interesting exercise for future specs. Edit! This is not a dreaded 'which spec is best' post , rather a consideration of the impact of haste on TT Crit requirement. 50 SB's in a 2 min fight (of which 6 crit - 12% TT Crit) Utilising Haste (unrealistic theoretical figures!) 100 SB's in a 2 min fight (of which 12 crit - 12% TT Crit) At first glance it shows that (obviously) the more you cast, the greater benefit you gain from crit. My 6% haste is making better use of my meagre crit....hmm *scuttles off to find a calculator* The issue is whether the item budget of haste offers better value than just spending DKP/Badges on items with crit, rather than haste. (Or whether pure crit on the slots where haste is present would offer a larger increase in DPS.) Last edited by nietzsche_uk; April 17, 2008 at 12:29 PM.. |
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April 17, 2008, 12:33 PM
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Paradiselost 70 Undead Warlock IceCrown US PvE Guild: Peons no More Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Does haste compensate for lack of crit?
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April 17, 2008, 12:56 PM
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Re: Does haste compensate for lack of crit?
Sadly, it doesn't affect poor old Mr Felstomper :D
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