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November 24, 2008, 04:00 PM
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Re: Haste in WOTLK
Of course you don't see the point of spirit right now. You only have what? a couple hundred points in it? But when we get to 80 and it's on all gear and say you have 900 spirit, that's 270 addition SP. Is that really worthless to get? You're not going to be sacrificing straight SP for spirit, anyone can see that but the items are also not going to follow that. I'm an affliction lock and I think I'll look for: hit to cap, SP, Spi, Crit (pandemic), sta, int |
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November 25, 2008, 08:42 AM
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Re: Haste in WOTLK
Haste affects global cool down. There is a reason that almost all northrend stuff has haste on it, thats because its awesome. Drop your dots quicker, stick up haunt and UA quicker. Fire off filler shadow bolts quicker. Cast fears in pvp quicker. All in all for me when I'm hit capped: Spell Damage -> Haste -> stamina/int/crit (in whatever order) -> spirit. Dont get me wrong if something has massive spirit on it, I'll use it. But will always value it according to how much Spell damage it gives me. The lifetap and regen issues being a bonus. |
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November 25, 2008, 06:35 PM
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Re: Haste in WOTLK
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I might have to update this later since I going into raid tonight for the first time since xpac release.... I know, worked killed my leveling time. I would agree with saying there is no real reason to put an emphasis on spirit at the moment. Especially if you are stacking spirit for Spell power lol, just get spell power =) Regen will defiantly play a bigger role for locks later in the xpac when we are bound to become a little more self suffient while in raid, i.e., not life tapping to save healers mana, save your self etc. I'd still say go, Hit>spell Power>Crit>Haste! Only cause you will find haste being eaiser to obtain at this point of the game. -But thats just my opinion.
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November 27, 2008, 11:20 PM
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Purebalance 80 Human Warlock Muradin US PvE Guild: Shadowraven Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: Haste in WOTLK
Yes haste is of such a minimal importance since Wrath of the Lich King hit. It increased it's importance for affliction, but lowered in destro and crit is by far the better stat for demo. Haste does not scale with your pet like crit does if you're full demo. In destro you cast a lot more dots than usual which obviously has such a minimal usage of haste. |
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November 27, 2008, 11:26 PM
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Lessic 80 Undead Warlock Darkspear US PvP Guild: Tarren Mill Deathguard Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: Haste in WOTLK
Actually with the exception of instances I don't really cast dots much as destro with the all the haste i have it's quicker just to cbolt, immolate, incinerate, conflag, immolate, incinerate... note that i run it that way because my haste plus the bonus from casting conflag makes immol and incin pretty quick cast. |
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November 28, 2008, 11:57 AM
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Re: Haste in WOTLK
I can see the opinions are still mixed. Some say haste is really worth going for while others disagree. I'll continue to stack some haste until I find out myself. Thanks for all the replys so far  Cheers, Amrot
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December 02, 2008, 06:37 PM
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Re: Haste in WOTLK
here's my two cents... (i haven't read the entire thread) when i was leveling to 80 i noticed the same thing pretty quickly, and what i often found was that i was choosing between crit or haste. anytime i could get a piece of gear with spirit i would take it (or compare with another piece of gear which also had +sp to see which damage). essentially, i decided at some point to go one way or the other, and decided to stack haste (basically for no reason whatsoever. I knew i was leveling and gear didn't matter that much). i'm not at home right now so i'm not sure what my current haste rating is, but i know that i've effectively reduced all of my cast times by one tenth, even the GCD from what i can tell. meaning my haunt is now a 1.4s cast rather than a 1.5s cast and the GCD on something like corruption is .9s (roughly). now i'm not one of these people that can dive into all the intricate math of WoW to determine if that is "significant" - but in doing the rough math it appears that i've chopped of somewhere between .8 and 1s off of my normal rotation of spells (haunt, immolate, corruption, UA, SL, CoE, shadow bolt). for me, that's worth it. it makes the rotation seem much faster and i simply am not spending as much time casting... furthermore.... over the course of a long battle it basically guarantees that i'm inching in a few more shadow bolts than a lock with no haste (i'm affliction btw, so crit doesn't do a lot for me imo) just to reiterate - i have not placed any priority over an item with haste if it does LESS sp than another item (to include spirit contribution). that stat will always remain supreme, and i won't put more emphasis on it than spell hit..... but for my personal taste, and the way i play my build... haste > crit. if it matters i have no issues topping dps charts ;p |
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December 02, 2008, 06:53 PM
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Lavath 85 Blood Elf Warlock Shadow Council US RP Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: Haste in WOTLK
I can see that a lot of people still want to talk about spirit. I might suggest this thread to you: Warlocks and Spirit - The Big Discussion! - The Warlocks Den Forums As for haste, personally as a destruction warlock, it makes things a lot of fun for me. I really like being able to shave off a lot of time when casting Chaos Bolt or Shadow bolt. Haste + Backdraft = smiles and good times. I wouldn't make it a primary stat over hit or spell power but it is probably a nice stat to have if you are playing in the Destruction tree. |
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December 02, 2008, 07:20 PM
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Re: Haste in WOTLK
Unlike BC where haste was the one stat to go for in Sunwell, it is not as important in Wrath of the Lich King. Now you have to decide and mix haste/crit/spellpower and balance it out. The one reason why melee scales is they always had so much more crit than casters. Warlocks did not stack crit up until Wrath of the Lich King. Now this different. To be able to get as much damage per cast time and mana, you need to have a lot of crits to be on par with melee, too much haste without crit will just make you go oom without really pushing out enough damage. So basically, just test it out since lifetap is to be consideres in every warlock playstyle, it has to be conisdered when it comes to balancing out haste vs crit. For sure the guys @ EJ will have all the theorycrafting going, but then again you really just need to think about it. In a raid, i have ~ 35% crit raidbuffed before talents with around 400 haste. Parsing the logs show me a near 50% crit rate with a 41/30 build (later on im going 31/40) and i dish out 7k incinerate crits average (10k max). So in conclusion, just test it out yourself and try to balance it out, haste is not the primary stat to go anymore (for destruction builds that is) but is equally important to crit to be able to compete with melees (melees were able to achieve ~50% crit before 3.0 being sunwell geared). |
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December 02, 2008, 08:47 PM
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Re: Haste in WOTLK
I'd have to agree with Tristine somewhat, the trick isn't to stack a specific stat anymore (other than hit), but to get a good balance for your specific build. And as far as 'stacking' spirit, the reason Blizzard changed some of our mechanics to work with spirit (ex. Demonic Embrace) is because they're no longer making 'dps caster' and 'healer' specific gear outside of some epics and tier, so without the changes, we'd be penalized for grabbing gear with spirit because it would have done little for us compared to mages and priests. The changes were made to lessen or remove any negatives associated with us having spirit, not to make us consider spirit as a necessary raiding / pvp stat.  Calm down peeps, everything will be alright 
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