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Lootrank from coefficients obtained by simulationcraft

Published by Crescendo
November 18, 2008

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Patch 3.0.3

Lootrank from coefficients obtained by simulationcraft

Here are some results that I've used in order to assess which gear I may or may not change at level 80. I have not yet double checked them, but hope it may be useful for others.

As you may know, Lootrank is one of the sites which can rank gear based on the value of each characteristics (stamina/intellect/spell power/...).
The missing link are this value: this can be obtained with a neat tool, simulationcraft which basically simulates a raid of casters and compute their dps.

The results are here, for the different specs. with or without hit cap:

** Warlock_0_53_18
stamina=0.19 intellect=0.49 spirit=0.50 spell_power=1.01 hit_rating=1.59 crit_rating=0.77 haste_rating=0.99
Loot Rank for WOLTK - Warlock_0_53_18
Loot Rank for WOLTK - Warlock_0_53_18_NOHIT

** Warlock_2_13_56
stamina=0.00 intellect=0.38 spirit=0.48 spell_power=1.61 hit_rating=2.01 crit_rating=0.71 haste_rating=1.05
Loot Rank for WOLTK - Warlock_2_13_56
Loot Rank for WOLTK - Warlock_2_13_56_NOHIT

** Warlock_56_0_15
stamina=0.00 intellect=0.33 spirit=0.48 spell_power=1.47 hit_rating=1.57 crit_rating=0.63 haste_rating=0.96
Loot Rank for WOLTK - Warlock_56_0_15
Loot Rank for WOLTK - Warlock_56_0_15_NOHIT

** Warlock_56_0_15_CoE (CoE instead of Curse of Agony)
stamina=0.00 intellect=0.31 spirit=0.45 spell_power=1.44 hit_rating=1.63 crit_rating=0.68 haste_rating=0.98
Loot Rank for WOLTK - Warlock_56_0_15_CoE
Loot Rank for WOLTK - Warlock_56_0_15_CoE_NOHIT

** Warlock_56_0_15_NoDS
stamina=0.00 intellect=0.34 spirit=0.45 spell_power=1.37 hit_rating=1.85 crit_rating=0.76 haste_rating=0.67
Loot Rank for WOLTK - Warlock_56_0_15_NoDS
Loot Rank for WOLTK - Warlock_56_0_15_NoDS_NOHIT

The simulations were done with the reference raid_80.txt of simulationcraft (release r1100), hence these are values with full buffs (with moonkins, mages, shamans, shadow priests). That reference configuration assumes full Naxx-10 gear, that is:
default_stamina=708
default_intellect=777
default_spirit=411
default_spell_power=2200
default_crit_rating=461
default_hit_rating=290
default_haste_rating=452

The scaling values taken as +100 (except for hit: -100); the base dps is found to be:

Player=Warlock_0_53_18 DPS=4753.1 (Error=+/-7.5 Range=+/-357) DPR=16.3 RPS=292.3/225.4 (mana)
Player=Warlock_2_13_56 DPS=4782.5 (Error=+/-7.9 Range=+/-442) DPR=16.4 RPS=291.7/225.0 (mana)
Player=Warlock_56_0_15 DPS=5581.3 (Error=+/-7.5 Range=+/-362) DPR=18.8 RPS=297.5/233.8 (mana)
Player=Warlock_56_0_15_CoE DPS=5361.1 (Error=+/-7.5 Range=+/-387) DPR=18.1 RPS=295.8/232.6 (mana)
Player=Warlock_56_0_15_NoDS DPS=5218.0 (Error=+/-7.5 Range=+/-360) DPR=15.2 RPS=343.2/280.2 (mana)

(more info on dps/templates/... simulationcraft site)
The graphs comparing different caster/spec from the original run are at:
SampleOutput - simulationcraft - Google Code

Edit:
* hmm... after checking, the scale factors seem to be a little off , I'm running average of more simulations right now.
* updated with 10 times more simulations.
* added templates

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November 18, 2008, 04:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
Talimar Character Info Talimar 80 Human Warlock Nagrand Euro PvE Guild: Imperium Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/0/18	Re: Lootrank from coefficients obtained by simulationcraft thanks, could you link the specs you are using?

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November 18, 2008, 05:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
Derzerfetzer Character Info Pyrea 80 Blood Elf Paladin Blackhand Euro PvE Guild: seppuku Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/53/18	Re: Lootrank from coefficients obtained by simulationcraft how long does it take you to run one of those simulations and how much CPU does it take up? ATM im tied up on a work laptop running 1.3 GHz and 768 MB ram... also how intuitive is the software to use, i've seen that its a command prompt style program. __________________ My Blog:wowmb.net/forums/blogs/derzerfetzer Pyrea: Level 80 Protection Paladin-Blackhand EU Derzerfetzer: Level 80 FG/Ruin Warlock-Blackhand EU

November 18, 2008, 09:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Crescendo	Re: Lootrank from coefficients obtained by simulationcraft Ok, I just added the templates to the OP. As for the program, the speed depends on the precision you wish: the original sample configuration raid file iterates 1000 times, and the average is taken. It takes 1 to 5 minutes on a modern machine. Obviously if you just want a quick estimate of dps, even 1 or 10 times might be enough. However for accurate coefficients, longer runs then more than 1000 times seem to be required. As for the usability of the program, it is a command line program indeed: you edit the raid configuration file, then run the simulations, and then view the results (either a nice HTML file, or a text file). It's much less user-friendly than, say, Rawr ; but it's no problem once you are used to it.

November 19, 2008, 02:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
Talimar Character Info Talimar 80 Human Warlock Nagrand Euro PvE Guild: Imperium Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/0/18	Re: Lootrank from coefficients obtained by simulationcraft thanks. 1 more question, what is DS?

November 19, 2008, 03:45 AM

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Crescendo

Re: Lootrank from coefficients obtained by simulationcraft

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talimar

thanks. 1 more question, what is DS?

NoDS means not using Drain Soul. Probably it means drain soul is used as an additional dot in affliction when the target is below 25%.

The exact configuration is this in affliction:
warlock=Warlock_56_0_15
level=80
talents=http://Wrath of the Lich King.wowhead.com/?talent=IfxMbzMAoVAoIstZE00V
actions=flask,type=pure_death/spell_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,felhunter
actions+=/haunt,debuff=1/curse_of_agony/corruption/unstable_affliction/siphon_life
actions+=/shadow_bolt,shadow_trance=1/drain_soul,target_pct=25/immolate/shadow_bolt/dark_pact
chaotic_skyfire=1
glyph_corruption=1
glyph_curse_of_agony=1
glyph_siphon_life=1

For destro it is:
warlock=Warlock_2_13_56
level=80
talents=http://Wrath of the Lich King.wowhead.com/?talent=IbZcLc0cZVcGVd0uVsAfct
actions=flask,type=pure_death/fire_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,imp
actions+=/shadow_bolt,shadow_trance=1/chaos_bolt/curse_of_agony/immolate/conflagrate/incinerate/life_tap
chaotic_skyfire=1
glyph_corruption=1
glyph_imp=1
glyph_curse_of_agony=1

And for demo:
warlock=Warlock_0_53_18
level=80
talents=http://Wrath of the Lich King.wowhead.com/?talent=IZcxIzsxoqcsguhoE0hV
actions=flask,type=pure_death/fire_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,felguard
actions+=/curse_of_doom/demonic_empowerment/metamorphosis/corruption/immolate/shadow_bolt/life_tap
chaotic_skyfire=1
glyph_corruption=1
glyph_felguard=1
glyph_shadow_bolt=1

November 19, 2008, 04:10 AM

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Morax

Character Info
Dalboz
70 Orc Warlock
Fenris US PvE
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 20/41/0

Re: Lootrank from coefficients obtained by simulationcraft

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crescendo

** Warlock_0_53_18
stamina=0.19 intellect=0.49 spirit=0.50 spell_power=1.01 hit_rating=1.59 crit_rating=0.77 haste_rating=0.99
Loot Rank for WOLTK - Warlock_0_53_18
Loot Rank for WOLTK - Warlock_0_53_18_NOHIT

Ok,
This is really cool.. I want to run a build like this @ 80 so I am going to start looking for loot..
I converted this to Pawn values so I can easily compare the items as I level..
Pawn : WoWInterface Downloads : Bags, Bank, Inventory Mods
(Hrm.. maybe Pawn should be a recommended addon.. heh)

Anyway.. for others that use Pawn..

Code:

( Pawn: v1: "Warlock 0/53/18": Intellect=0.49, CritRating=0.765, MetaSocket=25, HasteRating=0.985, HitRating=1.59, YellowSocket=16.997, SpellPower=1.013, Spirit=0.495, RedSocket=19 )

Code:

( Pawn: v1: "Warlock 0/53/18 NOHIT": Intellect=0.49, CritRating=0.765, MetaSocket=25, HasteRating=0.985, YellowSocket=16.997, SpellPower=1.013, Spirit=0.495, RedSocket=19 )

For the values of the Meta, Red, and Yellow sockets I simply used the values that I calculated from the gems that lootrank was using.. (Runed Scarlet Ruby for Red, Ember skyflare diamond for meta, and Reckless Monarch Topaz for yellow)

November 19, 2008, 05:25 AM	#7 (permalink)
Talimar Character Info Talimar 80 Human Warlock Nagrand Euro PvE Guild: Imperium Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/0/18	Re: Lootrank from coefficients obtained by simulationcraft ah drain soul ofc. almost got forgot how the last rank works. have you tried running tests with glyph of immolate instead of siphon life for affliction? wondering if it might give more dps increase

November 20, 2008, 01:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
Crescendo	Re: Lootrank from coefficients obtained by simulationcraft Here is an update with again 10 times more simulations (that tooks days to compute ^^). Also I added (untested) Pawn codes - thank you Morax for the link to this cool addon. Note: there is no stamina in the Pawn code, it seems significant for Demonology. Also inserted Shadow Priest sibling results for reference ^^ Warlock_0_53_18 crit_rating=0.78 haste_rating=1.05 hit_rating=1.58 intellect=0.46 spell_power=1.00 spirit=0.52 stamina=0.19 Lootrank for Warlock_0_53_18 (not hit capped) Lootrank for Warlock_0_53_18 (hit capped) Warlock_2_13_56 crit_rating=0.71 haste_rating=1.05 hit_rating=1.99 intellect=0.39 spell_power=1.63 spirit=0.49 stamina=0.00 Lootrank for Warlock_2_13_56 (not hit capped) Lootrank for Warlock_2_13_56 (hit capped) Warlock_56_0_15 crit_rating=0.66 haste_rating=0.98 hit_rating=1.56 intellect=0.32 spell_power=1.46 spirit=0.47 stamina=0.00 Lootrank for Warlock_56_0_15 (not hit capped) Lootrank for Warlock_56_0_15 (hit capped) Warlock_56_0_15_CoE crit_rating=0.69 haste_rating=1.02 hit_rating=1.64 intellect=0.29 spell_power=1.41 spirit=0.44 stamina=0.00 Lootrank for Warlock_56_0_15_CoE (not hit capped) Lootrank for Warlock_56_0_15_CoE (hit capped) Warlock_56_0_15_NoDS crit_rating=0.75 haste_rating=0.65 hit_rating=1.85 intellect=0.34 spell_power=1.38 spirit=0.45 stamina=0.00 Lootrank for Warlock_56_0_15_NoDS (not hit capped) Lootrank for Warlock_56_0_15_NoDS (hit capped) Priest_14_0_57 crit_rating=0.78 haste_rating=0.72 hit_rating=1.40 intellect=0.24 spell_power=1.23 spirit=0.27 stamina=0.00 Lootrank for Priest_14_0_57 (not hit capped) Lootrank for Priest_14_0_57 (hit capped) Priest_14_0_57_NoSWD crit_rating=0.78 haste_rating=0.74 hit_rating=1.39 intellect=0.23 spell_power=1.24 spirit=0.26 stamina=0.00 Lootrank for Priest_14_0_57_NoSWD (not hit capped) Lootrank for Priest_14_0_57_NoSWD (hit capped) * DPS (partial): 81574 100.0% Raid 5559 6.8% Warlock_56_0_15 5348 6.5% Warlock_56_0_15_CoE 5227 6.4% Warlock_56_0_15_NoDS 4779 5.8% Warlock_2_13_56 4743 5.8% Warlock_0_53_18 4720 5.8% Priest_14_0_57 4693 5.7% Priest_14_0_57_NoSWD *** Pawn codes: ( Pawn: v1: "Warlock_0_53_18": Intellect=0.46, CritRating=0.78, MetaSocket=32.15, HasteRating=1.05, HitRating=1.58, YellowSocket=25.28, Blue=16.80, SpellPower=1.00, Spirit=0.52, RedSocket=21.64 ) ( Pawn: v1: "Warlock_0_53_18 Hit Capped": Intellect=0.46, CritRating=0.78, MetaSocket=32.15, HasteRating=1.05, HitRating=0, YellowSocket=17.40, Blue=12.56, SpellPower=1.00, Spirit=0.52, RedSocket=19.00 ) ( Pawn: v1: "Warlock_2_13_56": Intellect=0.39, CritRating=0.71, MetaSocket=46.81, HasteRating=1.05, HitRating=1.99, YellowSocket=31.84, Blue=19.84, SpellPower=1.63, Spirit=0.49, RedSocket=30.97 ) ( Pawn: v1: "Warlock_2_13_56 Hit Capped": Intellect=0.39, CritRating=0.71, MetaSocket=46.81, HasteRating=1.05, HitRating=0, YellowSocket=23.07, Blue=12.32, SpellPower=1.63, Spirit=0.49, RedSocket=30.97 ) ( Pawn: v1: "Warlock_56_0_15": Intellect=0.32, CritRating=0.66, MetaSocket=41.47, HasteRating=0.98, HitRating=1.56, YellowSocket=25.62, Blue=16.24, SpellPower=1.46, Spirit=0.47, RedSocket=27.74 ) ( Pawn: v1: "Warlock_56_0_15 Hit Capped": Intellect=0.32, CritRating=0.66, MetaSocket=41.47, HasteRating=0.98, HitRating=0, YellowSocket=20.98, Blue=11.60, SpellPower=1.46, Spirit=0.47, RedSocket=27.74 ) ( Pawn: v1: "Warlock_56_0_15_CoE": Intellect=0.29, CritRating=0.69, MetaSocket=39.76, HasteRating=1.02, HitRating=1.64, YellowSocket=26.24, Blue=16.64, SpellPower=1.41, Spirit=0.44, RedSocket=26.79 ) ( Pawn: v1: "Warlock_56_0_15_CoE Hit Capped": Intellect=0.29, CritRating=0.69, MetaSocket=39.76, HasteRating=1.02, HitRating=0, YellowSocket=20.85, Blue=11.68, SpellPower=1.41, Spirit=0.44, RedSocket=26.79 ) ( Pawn: v1: "Warlock_56_0_15_NoDS": Intellect=0.34, CritRating=0.75, MetaSocket=39.78, HasteRating=0.65, HitRating=1.85, YellowSocket=29.60, Blue=18.40, SpellPower=1.38, Spirit=0.45, RedSocket=27.22 ) ( Pawn: v1: "Warlock_56_0_15_NoDS Hit Capped": Intellect=0.34, CritRating=0.75, MetaSocket=39.78, HasteRating=0.65, HitRating=0, YellowSocket=17.62, Blue=9.60, SpellPower=1.38, Spirit=0.45, RedSocket=26.22 ) ( Pawn: v1: "Priest_14_0_57": Intellect=0.24, CritRating=0.78, MetaSocket=34.48, HasteRating=0.72, HitRating=1.40, YellowSocket=22.40, Blue=13.36, SpellPower=1.23, Spirit=0.27, RedSocket=23.37 ) ( Pawn: v1: "Priest_14_0_57 Hit Capped": Intellect=0.24, CritRating=0.78, MetaSocket=34.48, HasteRating=0.72, HitRating=0, YellowSocket=16.83, Blue=8.40, SpellPower=1.23, Spirit=0.27, RedSocket=23.37 ) ( Pawn: v1: "Priest_14_0_57_NoSWD": Intellect=0.23, CritRating=0.78, MetaSocket=34.57, HasteRating=0.74, HitRating=1.39, YellowSocket=22.28, Blue=13.20, SpellPower=1.24, Spirit=0.26, RedSocket=23.56 ) ( Pawn: v1: "Priest_14_0_57_NoSWD Hit Capped": Intellect=0.23, CritRating=0.78, MetaSocket=34.57, HasteRating=0.74, HitRating=0, YellowSocket=17.08, Blue=8.32, SpellPower=1.24, Spirit=0.26, RedSocket=23.56 ) Last edited by Crescendo; November 20, 2008 at 03:23 PM..

November 22, 2008, 06:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
Teroy Character Info Teroy 70 Human Warlock US PvE Talent Spec: 42/1/18	Re: Lootrank from coefficients obtained by simulationcraft Really appreciate the work done here. Thank you Last edited by Teroy; November 22, 2008 at 06:06 PM..

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