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Published by Cascade
May 06, 2008 |
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May 06, 2008, 03:53 PM
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Barkle 80 Undead Warlock Rexxar US PvE Guild: Corpus Vile Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
Re: Haste - Is it really THAT good?
Some excellent points Cascade. I believe all spreadsheets and DPS calculators need to be taken with a grain of salt. They give you theoretical maximum values, not real world examples. I have done some theory work on haste and the spreadsheet I was working with showed a nice DPS increase from stacking haste. But its just theory. In real raid encounters, movement is needed. If you have a SB cast time of 2.25 sec, thats a quarter of a second quicker you can be on the move. Doesn't sound like much, but we all know that in T5 and up raids, a quarter sec can be the difference between a) completing a cast and getting out of the poo or b) completing a cast and going splat. Two casts at this level gives you a half second advantage. How often do we not cast a corruption because its not instant? Its only a 2 second cast ... |
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May 06, 2008, 06:25 PM
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Themorrigan 70 Human Warlock Kil'Jaeden US PvP Guild: The Collective Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/0/0 |
Re: Haste - Is it really THAT good?
Corruption is a bad example, you don't cast it in a Destruction build because it's lower damage/cast time than a Shadow Bolt. |
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May 06, 2008, 06:48 PM
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Gritz 80 Orc Warlock Eldre'Thalas US PvE Guild: Fate Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Destro |
Re: Haste - Is it really THAT good?
And you have to move in from max range to cast corruption with a nuke build. (No Grim Reach) |
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May 14, 2008, 12:57 AM
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Kordansk 70 Orc Warlock Skullcrusher US PvP Guild: Beatdown Brigade Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Haste - Is it really THAT good?
Unfortunately if you spreadsheet T6, haste ends up being more valuable than +damage. It's not 1-1, and after about 1340 damage, haste spreadsheets better. |
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May 14, 2008, 03:04 AM
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Voidnull 70 Undead Warlock Gorgonnash Euro PvP Guild: unleash Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Haste - Is it really THAT good?
haste is definitly the way to go, remember it lowers you GCD, so every time you save a little time there as well. There are enough fights where you just "stand and nuke" and barely have to move. Especially on Brutallus spellhaste is a great way to squeeze that extra-dps out. I experienced a massive dps increase by just stacking 80spellhaste, and i am not going to stop stacking spellhaste until i see a decay in itīs dps-increase compared to the other stats. |
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May 14, 2008, 04:30 AM
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Carighan 70 Gnome Warlock Emerald Dream Euro PvE Guild: Ab Aeterno Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 6/44/11 |
Re: Haste - Is it really THAT good?
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Compared to other stats (crit, damage), it loses a lot more of it's theoretical, mathed value in real game. That is due to the fact that you often have to move or dodge around abilities. These abilities don't care about your spellhaste, so the extra 0.5-1.5 seconds you had "free" because of spellhaste go to waste while dodging. An easy example would be a boss who does an AE forcing you to run to the other side of the boss every 9 seconds. With 0 spellhaste, you can cast 3 shadowbolts, then you have to move. However, with say 15% spellhaste... you still could cast only 3 shadowbolts before moving. Your entire spellhaste gear would do pretty much nothing in such a fight. However spelldamage and spellcrit are not impaired in such a way.
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May 14, 2008, 05:03 AM
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nocturnus 70 Blood Elf Warlock Kazzak Euro PvP Guild: Incorporated Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Haste - Is it really THAT good?
Cascade certainly has a point. Haste is superior 'on paper', which obviously only refers to ideal circumstances. Most circumstances are far from reality though. Do not forget, that you need a tremendous amount of haste for it to actually make a (slight) difference, if it even does... The global cool down will only affect life tap rotations, not SB spams. Then again, your life taps will increase as you stack more haste. This results in more downtime and an equal amount for SBs. If you decide to start stacking haste, make sure the following stats do not drop below these numbers: Hit: 202 UNBUFFED spell damage: 1200 Crit: 25% So as far as I'm concerned, it's more about personal preferences rather than an actual damage increase in real, practical situations. |
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May 14, 2008, 05:47 AM
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Voidnull 70 Undead Warlock Gorgonnash Euro PvP Guild: unleash Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Haste - Is it really THAT good?
believe me itīs a massive damage increase...i didnīt believe it either, than i stacked up 8ß spellhaste and the difference is more than noticeable. |
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May 14, 2008, 12:50 PM
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Vuko 70 Undead Warlock Eredar US PvP |
Re: Haste - Is it really THAT good?
I guess this is a straight pve pov?? Im pure pvp pretty much and I think haste is king... Especially if can get the s4 haste weapon. figure you can put 3 dots on someone in 3 secs. You can drain life in like 3/4 the time. Your fear is close to your CD... pretty sweet pvp wise. |
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