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March 30, 2008, 12:45 AM
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Character Info
Xaos 70 Undead Warlock Defias Brotherhood Euro RP PvP Guild: Last Stand Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Spell haste vs crits
Once you hit Sunwell haste becomes very tasty, even in late BT its helpful.. the faster you can nuke the less you have to worry about bosses will silly enrage timers/conditions (like RoS/Bruty ect) untill your raiding T6, personally i wouldn't bother with haste much. (and ideally at sunwell level you dont lifetap too much on bosses, you chug mana pots as much as possible and have a shadowpriest)
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May 13, 2008, 04:33 AM
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Haste or Crit gear, continued
Hi all! My first post on these forums and i hope for some fast and nice replies  Atm im trying out some diff gear and was wonderign what a 0/21/40 lock should aim for at my gearlvl. In the bank i got the chronicles, exalted ring of MH etc etc but wanted to try out some diff things now to boost my damage even more. On my armory profile i put on some stuff that brings my haste up to 6% but drops 2% crit in the prosess. Advice me on what to use and why, still experimenting with this. Arm: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...ill&n=Oxidizer |
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May 13, 2008, 05:24 AM
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Yonks 70 Undead Warlock Runetotem US PvE Guild: tys Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Haste or Crit gear, continued
I've really found that haste > crit. It scales better than crit and seems to provide more consistent & predictable damage as well. I'm not sure if you have the Ring of Ancient Knowledge, but that is one of the best places to itemize haste (and swap it around for crit/hit if needed). |
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July 11, 2008, 11:47 AM
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The Haste vs Crit Theorycrafting Thread
To avoid cluttering other threads with Endgame theorycrafting I'm setting aside this thread for that purpose - it should prove to be interesting reading. The question of haste vs crit, and at which point those stats become more valuable has been discussed endlessly and while there have been conclusions drawn regarding both, they're scatted across a multitude of threads so with any luck and a modicum of friendly debate hopefully our resident theorycrafters will be able to enlighten us. Over to you chaps  **Edit** This thread is now the consolidation of a couple of threads discussing the same topic, please bear that in mind if there seems to be any 'jumping around' between some replies. Similar discussion threads that might of interest:
For more Haste threads: The Warlocks Den Forums - Threads Tagged with Spell Haste |
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July 11, 2008, 11:47 AM
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Roktereth 70 Human Warlock Gorgonnash US PvP Guild: Rise of the Darkside Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Haste vs. Crit
Ok, so I know the popular idea about crit for an 0/21/40 warlock is you should have ~20% unbuffed minimum, and that you need to get to really high spell damage levels like 1400 or so before you should start stacking spell haste (at least thats what I've read). I also know that for a raiding warlock, the very most important thing is to stack hit gear and spell damage until you reach the hit cap. However, when I plug my numbers into the spreadsheet on maxdps.com, I end up having a higher dps by stacking up haste rather than crit, and I was pretty sure that takes into accound ISB. Either way, is it still better for me to stack haste than crit at the moment, considering that there are usually 3 other destro locks with plenty of crit in my raid (so ISB uptime is never really a problem)? Here's the link to my armory if you want to see my gear. The World of Warcraft Armory Also, my stats are around 17% crit, 1k +shadow damage unbuffed, and 80 haste rating (5% faster cast speed) Thanks! *** Information added 1 Minutes and 58 Seconds later... *** err, about 16% crit, sorry about that *** Information added 7 Minutes and 28 Seconds later... *** Oh and, of course, the main reason I'm asking this is aggro management. Even though you're getting off more SB's the more haste you have, higher crit levels to me always add up to pulling aggro and I have to SS or, if its on cooldown, back off and thats a real dps killer. I figured stacking haste would help with aggro management more than stacking crit. |
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July 11, 2008, 11:59 AM
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Voidnull 70 Undead Warlock Gorgonnash Euro PvP Guild: unleash Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Haste vs. Crit
no reading. H A S T E |
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July 11, 2008, 12:07 PM
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Roktereth 70 Human Warlock Gorgonnash US PvP Guild: Rise of the Darkside Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Haste vs. Crit
That's one for haste then. Exactly what I was hoping to here. =) Keep em coming! |
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July 11, 2008, 12:15 PM
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Voidnull 70 Undead Warlock Gorgonnash Euro PvP Guild: unleash Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: Haste vs. Crit
though get spelldmg > haste > crit, but usually gear will take care of that. Never socket crit, but pure spelldmg or spelldmg + haste and finally pure haste, where it depends on which one is better pure haste or damage+haste on the rest of your gear. |
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July 11, 2008, 12:31 PM
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Ceausescu 80 Blood Elf Warlock mug'thol US PvP Guild: Defiant Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/0/18 |
Re: Haste vs. Crit
Frankly, most of the gear that gives haste at the progression I assume your at (t4) isn't all that well itemized. Some exceptions might be for instance the s3/4 pvp neck and the za sword and the badge offhand. However, It's so difficult to balance all of your stats around for haste until you get into a t6/sunwell progression that I would say pick up what haste you can but don't try to force stacking haste. The best haste gear is that free haste on sunwell loot. Until then just pick up what pieces you can and run the spreadsheet on it. The reason haste scales better even at lower gear is because it is a static increase to dps. Based on my personal experience, stacking haste is OK but if you gimp your crit to do so ie less than around 30% raid buffed it really hurts your dps. BTW if you are pulling aggro it is not because of your stats. There is no stack haste vs. stack crit = less aggro other than maybe less burst. If you have a problem with burst it is an issue of giving yourself a ceiling and always staying at max range so you can ride up to 130% threat before pulling off the tank. This is not a gearing problem it is a playstyle problem. So practice makes perfect and learn your tanks threat cycle. Last edited by levinho; July 11, 2008 at 12:38 PM.. |
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