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Old January 31, 2008, 02:40 PM  

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Moriban
70 Undead Warlock
undermine US PvE
Guild: Relentless
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: pi*R^2
Compendum for the new Warlock raider...

So you want to start raiding…

We have a lot of the same questions pop up on these forums. Many that I frequently see are asked by people that are either just starting raiding or not very far into there raiding careers. While pretty much all of these questions are answered on these forums, I don’t think we have anywhere that a new to raiding warlock can go and have most of his questions answered in 1 shot. So I figured I would start a post where we can put in all of the basic...
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Old February 01, 2008, 02:43 PM   #10 (permalink)

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Moriban
70 Undead Warlock
undermine US PvE
Guild: Relentless
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: pi*R^2
Re: Compendum for the new Warlock raider...

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eh ... afflic is way better early ... but once you start getting heavy in TK and SSC destro, and demon to an extent, do tons more dps than afflic on bosses ... just because the gear scales better

1000+ spl damage ... 200+ hit ... 25% crit w/ talents ... thats your baseline for when to switch to destro

the crit would be like 17% if you are currently spec'd afflic because you get 8% from destro talents

other than that mostly looks good
this wasnt meant for locks that far into the raid progression. This was meant for warlocks new to raiding who have questions pertaining to early raiding issues (o: A warlock just entering Kara isnt likely to come even close to being able to pull out a sac build, which is why I didnt include it here.
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Old February 01, 2008, 02:57 PM   #11 (permalink)

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Anetheron US PvP
Guild: Bane
Talent Spec: 0/21/40
Re: Compendum for the new Warlock raider...

i understood ... just thought it should be mentioned that those stats are your goal and helps know how to accumulate gear as you go ... without a goal in mind you end up with a hodge podge of gear

because you and i both know that people will read that and think afflic must be better forever because he didnt say any different
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Old February 01, 2008, 03:11 PM   #12 (permalink)

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80 Human Warlock
Argent Dawn US PvE
Guild: Silver Dawn
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 56/0/15
Re: Compendum for the new Warlock raider...

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I must disagree with some of what you said......... Yes, I do not cast siphon life.
I stopped reading there....SL will add another 40-50 dps PLUS heal you...probably 3-4k over its duration as affliction for a 1.5 second cast. I couldn't imagine any spec'd raiding lock not using SL on any boss. And even on big trash that stays up more than 30 seconds.
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Old February 01, 2008, 04:01 PM   #13 (permalink)

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Shadowsong US PvE
Guild: Excessive Obscenity
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Talent Spec: 0/21/40
Re: Compendum for the new Warlock raider...

Hrm, I apologize for that post then. I guess I just misunderstood what you were trying to say ... I took it as you saying there was never any right cast order or what not. And yadda yadda. Yay for reading when overtired ... O.o


**EDIT** Okay, so I got curious about the siphon life thing, and decided to really go read into it instead of keeping just experimenting and having the apparently wrong opinion. I usually do not have time to read, but I made some more time to read up on it. And I found that I was wrong (as was the friend who told me to do it) and SL should be cast also.

My damage meters had showed an increase in my dps, but I think I got caught up in the dps aspect rather than the actual overall damage out (which is what affliction is for, don't ask my why I looked at dps, I'm banging my head for that one). So, I was wrong, I admit it. And now I'm really curious to see if my overall damage output is more than before.

So if we could totally disregard most of what I said before, I'd feel much less like an idjut.

Last edited by Aloysia; February 01, 2008 at 05:31 PM.. Reason: Fixing information
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Old February 01, 2008, 07:49 PM   #14 (permalink)

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that being the case, Akasha, would you possibly fix the link to canadienpimps gear guide in my original post please? I did not link it correctly and can not edit it now.
Done! I also took the liberty to add some colour, highlight your headings etc. Thankyou for sharing this with us! If you want to update it, or make any changes, just start a thread under the Submit your guide here! section and I will open up the editing for you.
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Old February 02, 2008, 06:28 AM   #15 (permalink)

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Al'Akir Euro PvP
Guild: Furious Angels

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Done! I also took the liberty to add some colour, highlight your headings etc. Thankyou for sharing this with us! If you want to update it, or make any changes, just start a thread under the Submit your guide here! section and I will open up the editing for you.

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Old February 16, 2008, 05:32 AM   #16 (permalink)

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Detheroc US PvP
Guild: Totenreich
Talent Spec: 46/0/15
Re: Compendum for the new Warlock raider...

Very nice guild. Answered a lot of questions I had. I've got a couple more that may be added:

What are minimum stats for starting heroics/ZA?

Mostly concerning spell damage/hit. Currently, specced Affliction, 41 hit rating(not counting 5 points in suppression), 655 shadow damage. I lnow it's not high enough, just want a goal to shoot for.
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Old February 18, 2008, 09:45 AM   #17 (permalink)

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Moriban
70 Undead Warlock
undermine US PvE
Guild: Relentless
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: pi*R^2
Re: Compendum for the new Warlock raider...

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Very nice guild. Answered a lot of questions I had. I've got a couple more that may be added:

What are minimum stats for starting heroics/ZA?

Mostly concerning spell damage/hit. Currently, specced Affliction, 41 hit rating(not counting 5 points in suppression), 655 shadow damage. I lnow it's not high enough, just want a goal to shoot for.
I was in full crafted epics and had pretty much worked my way through canadienpimps gear guide on how to reach 1k damage with no raiding when I ran my first heroic, so im not sure what a minimum would be. trial and error is what I would suggest.

As for ZA, there sems to be some disagreement here. I personally believe ZA is more difficult than the T4 content (gruul and mag) and at least as hard the early bosses in TK/SSC. So, IMO if your guild is just coming out of kara you probably wont be able to clear ZA. now the bear boss and the bird boss you could probably take down pretty easily, but I dont know how much farther you would progress with just kara gear. When we first cleared ZA (just a couple weeks ago actually) most of my gear was still craftable or badge reward items (we get really nice gear available to us before we ever step foot into a raid!). I have the t4 shoulders for the +hit on bosses and gruuls dagger. other than that, its all non-raid items. so coming out of kara you, as a warlock, could probably be geared enough for it, but im not sure about the rest of your group.
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