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May 17, 2008, 09:09 AM
Canadianpimp Character Info Kobekid 80 Human Warlock Kilrogg US PvE Guild: Good With Ketchup Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58	Re: New to this whole DPS raiding thing...and I suck * This post has been copied out from it's original thread (here) for easy finding. It was written for one individual, yet can be used by all. There was talk of a re-write to make it universal, but for the time being, this shall suffice. ~ Akasha * Ok, so pay attention. I'm going to show you how to analyze your own WWS... Click here to read the entire guide __________________

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July 18, 2008, 05:51 PM	#20 (permalink)
Emerius Character Info Emerius 70 Night Elf Druid Khaz Modan US PvE Guild: Veritas	Re: Basic guide to Affliction DPS Is that rewrite (to make the post more universal) still incoming? I thought I'd ask before the momentum was lost! I'm a raid leader and get equivalent questions from all specs of our warlocks, and have an aspiring warlock toon myself. I'd be really interested to see what additional advice you have for the various specs, and any hints on things to look for when evaluating their WWS reports.

July 19, 2008, 04:14 PM	#21 (permalink)
Introverse Character Info Corradine 80 Undead Warlock Aman'thul Oceania PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/1/17	Re: Basic guide to Affliction DPS From Buzzkill's raiding guide for warlocks, Siphon Life is not worth using in a pure DPS rotation. Is this still valid at higher shadow damage levels, and is SL simply worth using just to increase the chance of proccing certain buffs (for eg Timbal's, SSO neck, 2pc T4)? A few hours ago my guild downed Gruul, and I managed to harvest the following data from Recount: Total combat time: 560s (taking MT's activity time as a benchmark) Total time I spent in combat: 533s = 95.18% (presumably including Ground Slams + Grasps + Shatters, during which I did not DPS) DoT uptimes: (% uptime based on total combat time) UA: 447s - 149 ticks - 79.82% uptime Corruption: 444s - 148 ticks - 79.29% uptime Immolate: 405s - 135 ticks - 72.32% uptime Siphon Life: 339s - 113 ticks - 60.54% uptime Apparently I should divide by the total time of the battle, but yet I do have to give my tanks a threat lead which affects DoT uptime... would it be more accurate to divide against the total active time I spent in combat? I'm also wondering how can I tell whether I clipped my DoT ticks - a simple division by 5/6/10ticks (wrt spell duration) probably isn't going to work, taking into account DoTs still running when the boss dies, and situations whereby I clip more than a full spell's worth of ticks.

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July 29, 2008, 01:39 PM

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Jimboner

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Jimbone
80 Gnome Warlock
Kilrogg US PvE
Guild: Lux
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 54/0/17

Re: Basic guide to Affliction DPS

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Originally Posted by Introverse

From Buzzkill's raiding guide for warlocks, Siphon Life is not worth using in a pure DPS rotation. Is this still valid at higher shadow damage levels, and is SL simply worth using just to increase the chance of proccing certain buffs (for eg Timbal's, SSO neck, 2pc T4)?

A few hours ago my guild downed Gruul, and I managed to harvest the following data from Recount:

Total combat time: 560s (taking MT's activity time as a benchmark)
Total time I spent in combat: 533s = 95.18% (presumably including Ground Slams + Grasps + Shatters, during which I did not DPS)

DoT uptimes: (% uptime based on total combat time)
UA: 447s - 149 ticks - 79.82% uptime
Corruption: 444s - 148 ticks - 79.29% uptime
Immolate: 405s - 135 ticks - 72.32% uptime
Siphon Life: 339s - 113 ticks - 60.54% uptime

Apparently I should divide by the total time of the battle, but yet I do have to give my tanks a threat lead which affects DoT uptime... would it be more accurate to divide against the total active time I spent in combat?

I'm also wondering how can I tell whether I clipped my DoT ticks - a simple division by 5/6/10ticks (wrt spell duration) probably isn't going to work, taking into account DoTs still running when the boss dies, and situations whereby I clip more than a full spell's worth of ticks.

Of course Buzzkill and Nihilum are phenomenal, so everyone will look up to him and take his word. The fact is, Buzzkill most likely didnt stay affliction for long. I'm sure they progressed so fast that he was able to jump quickly into destro gear and spec destro. I'm sure Buzzkill went destro before any real guides and real testing was done on what is most effective. In the end, it won't make much difference whether or not you use SL. The difference is very subtle and hard to notice without looking into it and calculating numbers. If you look at any testing done on it, you will see that SL favors your damage. SL will do more total damage per second of casting than a SB will.
I'm sure Buzzkill still rocked without using SL. SL would not make any difference on getting getting World Firsts. They just owned as a guild.

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Sup Jim...it's Sunderwear from Kilrogg!

Sunderwear! Sup dude! Ya I got so much time at work I'm always going through forums. Late reply on this one though, haven't been back here in awhile. Didn't even realize the author of the guide was a Kilroggian. Good job on it!

Last edited by Jimboner; July 29, 2008 at 02:43 PM..

July 29, 2008, 02:02 PM	#23 (permalink)
Lancer Character Info Ulthanesh 70 Blood Elf Warlock Misha US Guild: The Lotus Eaters Profile: Blizzard Armory	Re: Basic guide to Affliction DPS At 1200 shadow damage and 5/5 in Shadow Mastery, Siphon Life will do a total of 2013 damage over 30 seconds, at 201.3 per tick, translating into 67.1 additional DPS and 1,342 damage per cast time/GCD.

August 06, 2008, 12:24 AM	#24 (permalink)
Lessic Character Info Lessic 80 Undead Warlock Darkspear US PvP Guild: Tarren Mill Deathguard Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15	Re: Basic guide to Affliction DPS Necrosis actually has a built in DoTimer for locks which personally i like better then the DoTimer mod.

August 06, 2008, 02:16 PM

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Devicus

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Devicus
80 Gnome Warlock
thunderhorn Euro PvE
Guild: Rise
Profile: Blizzard Armory

Re: Basic guide to Affliction DPS

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Originally Posted by Jimboner

I agree entirely, though if you actually the numbers with a reasonable amount of shadow damage (800-900 is very easy for entry raid level) it's better than shadowbolting. Which I think you're also aware of. It's your worst DPCT DoT if I'm not mistaken but still worth casting. However if you suspect it won't tick most of it's duration, it isn't. So even then, casting it could cut your damage done, like any DoT, if not done wisely.

Buzzkill has been proven wrong on at least one occasion in the past. People take his word "because he's buzzkill". At the end of the day he's never horribly wrong, siphon life isn't *that* much better. But by spending his time blazing through content and raiding a lot, he doesn't have the time some of us have to run the numbers aS meticulously I guess. And to worry about fine tuning everything to perfection. Because, in a nutshell, the theorycrafters won't be theorycrafting instances and gear that are progress runs to nihilum until nihilum clear them. End of the day I'm saying that buzzkill is usually close enough to right that it doesn't matter but that that's not the same as right.

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