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November 05, 2008, 04:10 PM
Fallenman	WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide The thread here is about Affliction Raiding. This will answer very common questions such as these: Should I use immolate? Should I drop any DoTs from my rotation? What is the rotation? My DPS is really bad, what am I doing wrong? How can I get better at affliction? This will be broken up into 2 posts. The first, below, dealing with DPCTs and whether or not you should cast all of your DoTs. I'll start by clarifying what DoTs should be used. The answer simply... Click here to read the entire guide Last edited by Fallenman; December 17, 2008 at 12:44 PM..

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November 06, 2008, 10:49 AM

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Fallenman

Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide

ok, so at the risk of sounding dumb. how do i make an edit to the guide? I don't see an edit button or anything. :(

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Originally Posted by Vitriola

Great write up but I have a couple of questions.

1. Why shadow bolt as a filler? I only cast SB during shadow trance. As filler I generally life tap and drain life. You do not show that you do either. Do you?

2. You do not show haunt in the damage done area, though damage is certainly done. Is this just an omission?

Again, great post. I have sent the link out already!

Thanks for posting it.

1. Drain Life's dps is terrible compared to shadowbolt. That's why you want to use shadowbolt instead of drain life. And I use dark pact / life tap as well, as needed, during filler time. I probably implied it, rather than outright stated it. Sorry for the confusion.

2. I didn't calculate the DPCT of haunt for 2 reasons. The first, its DPCT is lower than shadowbolt, so it's not something you want to use every time the 8 second cooldown is up. You want to instead wait to recast it so that a new one lands right before the previous one ends. The second reason, regardless of it's DPCT based upon its own damage, it's true value is that it's a debuff that increases your DoT damage by 20%. That's the real reason you cast haunt.

November 06, 2008, 11:59 AM	#13 (permalink)
Akashy Character Info Akashy 80 Blood Elf Warlock Kel'Thuzad US PvP Guild: Lazerpewpewpew Talent Spec: 0/31/40	Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide Great guide. I have always loved Aff and I'm so happy it got a boost and is more raid worthy. Your guide points out alot of good ideas, ie SB opener to stack SE, never thought of that, guess I was just stuck in my old ways. Fantastic. Already printed and added to my warlock literature. __________________ Some come to seek honor. I seek to reek havoc!!

November 06, 2008, 12:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
closer733 Character Info Lichkin 80 Undead Warlock Caelestrasz Oceania PvE Guild: JIVETURKEY Profile: Talent Spec: 5/22/44	Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide Good guide; only issue I have would be with your spell rotation. "Shadow Bolt > Haunt > UA > Immolate > Curse of Agony > Corruption > Siphon Life." With this rotation you lose up times of your Curse of Agony, and Corr with the synergy of your Haunt spell because you are spending time on casting Immolate (1 - 1 1/2 seconds) My rotation: Shadow Bolt > Haunt > UA > Curse of Agony > Corruption > Immolate > Siphon Life. means that Curse of Agony and Corruption gets more of the Haunt effect for longer than yours and therefore over all more DPS.

November 06, 2008, 12:57 PM

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dafrey23

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Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide

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means that Curse of Agony and Corruption gets more of the Haunt effect for longer than yours and therefore over all more DPS.

Ummm, I'm not quite sure what you're saying there. I was under the impression that your goal is to keep Haunt up at all times. If Haunt is always up, then Curse of Agony and Corruption should be getting the Haunt effect all the time, regardless of when they were casted. I think Fallenman is trying to find a rotation that is easiest to keep up consistently and assumes that Haunt is always active. So far I agree with Fallenman that having UA and Immolate back-to-back makes keeping everything up easier and does a good job at maximizing the fill time for shadowbolts.

November 06, 2008, 01:02 PM

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Hakasa

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Elune US PvE
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Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide

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Originally Posted by closer733

Good guide; only issue I have would be with your spell rotation.

"Shadow Bolt > Haunt > UA > Immolate > Curse of Agony > Corruption > Siphon Life."

With this rotation you lose up times of your Curse of Agony, and Corr with the synergy of your Haunt spell because you are spending time on casting Immolate (1 - 1 1/2 seconds)

My rotation:

Shadow Bolt > Haunt > UA > Curse of Agony > Corruption > Immolate > Siphon Life.

means that Curse of Agony and Corruption gets more of the Haunt effect for longer than yours and therefore over all more DPS.

The reason that Fallen casts UA > Immolate is because they have the same ticking time, and can be cast 1 right after another whenever they're about to go off of the mob.

I use the same exact rotation as him, and have been for a while, though i've been slipping Corruption in after Haunt and if i'm doing CoE because of no boomkin I apply it first..

so my rotation, though mostly the same is Curse of Elements(if no Boomkin) Shadowbolt > Haunt > Corruption > UA > Immolate > Curse of Agony (If there's a boomkin) > SiLi

I'm not the best geared, i'm decent, but my max DPS is 2100, and surprisingly that was in ZA, not even a 25 man. I'm consistently top 5 on the charts, and my entire raid DPS is usually 1300-1400. Boss fights I push upwards of 1900 DPS usually.

Great guide! This will definitely help out the other warlocks wanting to try affliction(like a few in my guild).. I have one question though, you obviously use your Fel Hound, do you try to micro manage when your fel hound does Shadow Bite? If he stays alive throughout the encounter(kinda hard on Archimonde and Illidan for example) he does a decent amount of damage.

November 06, 2008, 01:15 PM

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closer733

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Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide

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Originally Posted by Hakasa

Understand what you're saying about the ticking time of UA and Immolate but I was refering to the most DPS.

Think of it this way: you cast Haunt now any DOTS you cast after get the synergy effect, however you have wasted 1 1 1/2 seconds that you could be damaging your opponent casting Immolate.

If you cast Haunt and them immediately cast DOTS those DOTS are ticking while you cast Immolate. The other way there are no DOTS up to work with Haunt until AFTER you cast Immolate. So just pure math your DPS is going to be higher casting the DOTS first (as they get another 1- 1 1/2 seconds to tick) before casting Immolate.

November 06, 2008, 01:26 PM

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Hakasa

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Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide

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While I can see where you're coming from, this would probably not hold true in a raid environment. The reason I say this is because most fights are not just tank and spank, you have to consistently(for lack of better words) be moving, being able to cast those two simultaneously constantly throughout the entire fight makes the rotation much much easier(plus I macro them together), which in turn could make your dps better. Though I do not have rotation problems, I could see that rotation possibly causing them.

November 06, 2008, 01:31 PM	#19 (permalink)
dafrey23 Character Info Avandian 70 Blood Elf Warlock Azgalor US PvP Guild: Hellscream Raiders Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/3/15	Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide I too see what you're saying, but you're really only talking about the first application of everything. After the first application, everything is refreshed as needed. So yes, you might pick up a few DPS, but we might be nit-picking here. I do see the benefit of casting corruption late in the cycle too though. If you keep it late then the offset between Haunt and Corruption is greater and then if you're a little late on a Haunt refresh then you're less likely to lose Corruption too. And losing Corruption during a raid fight might get missed for a cycle or two lowering your DPS significantly.

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November 06, 2008, 10:20 AM	#11 (permalink)
Vitriola Character Info Vitriola 80 Human Warlock gorgonash US PvP Guild: Knights of Avalon Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/41/30	Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide Great write up but I have a couple of questions. 1. Why shadow bolt as a filler? I only cast SB during shadow trance. As filler I generally life tap and drain life. You do not show that you do either. Do you? 2. You do not show haunt in the damage done area, though damage is certainly done. Is this just an omission? Again, great post. I have sent the link out already! Thanks for posting it.