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November 05, 2008, 04:10 PM
Fallenman	WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide The thread here is about Affliction Raiding. This will answer very common questions such as these: Should I use immolate? Should I drop any DoTs from my rotation? What is the rotation? My DPS is really bad, what am I doing wrong? How can I get better at affliction? This will be broken up into 2 posts. The first, below, dealing with DPCTs and whether or not you should cast all of your DoTs. I'll start by clarifying what DoTs should be used. The answer simply... Click here to read the entire guide Last edited by Fallenman; December 17, 2008 at 12:44 PM..

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November 06, 2008, 02:10 PM

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Fallenman

Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide

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Originally Posted by closer733

Good guide; only issue I have would be with your spell rotation.

"Shadow Bolt > Haunt > UA > Immolate > Curse of Agony > Corruption > Siphon Life."

With this rotation you lose up times of your Curse of Agony, and Corr with the synergy of your Haunt spell because you are spending time on casting Immolate (1 - 1 1/2 seconds)

My rotation:

Shadow Bolt > Haunt > UA > Curse of Agony > Corruption > Immolate > Siphon Life.

means that Curse of Agony and Corruption gets more of the Haunt effect for longer than yours and therefore over all more DPS.

I'm losing the first 2 ticks of Curse of Agony and 1 tick of corruption, for the front loaded instand damage of immolate (which can crit). it's a horse a piece really. plus, it's a benefit casting UA/immolate together, since you can then always cast UA/immolate together. like one big dot, as i alluded to in my guide.

and, keep in mind, this only matters the very first time each dot is cast, so it's not like that is lost every rotation, since you strive to have 100% dot uptime anyways.

as for "means that Curse of Agony and Corruption gets more of the Haunt effect for longer than yours and therefore over all more DPS."

remember, as i said in my guide, your haunt uptime should be 100%. so it doesn't matter what order you cast the dots in as every tick should get the benefit of haunt throughout the entire fight.

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Originally Posted by Hakasa

Great guide! This will definitely help out the other warlocks wanting to try affliction(like a few in my guild).. I have one question though, you obviously use your Fel Hound, do you try to micro manage when your fel hound does Shadow Bite? If he stays alive throughout the encounter(kinda hard on Archimonde and Illidan for example) he does a decent amount of damage.

The good thing about the xpac, from my experience in beta, is that there is very little micro-managing to do with pets.

With the buffs they received, they stay alive quite well. On fights where it's almost impossible to keep them alive, you're better off with a phase shifted imp.

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Originally Posted by closer733

Understand what you're saying about the ticking time of UA and Immolate but I was refering to the most DPS.

Think of it this way: you cast Haunt now any DOTS you cast after get the synergy effect, however you have wasted 1 1 1/2 seconds that you could be damaging your opponent casting Immolate.

If you cast Haunt and them immediately cast DOTS those DOTS are ticking while you cast Immolate. The other way there are no DOTS up to work with Haunt until AFTER you cast Immolate. So just pure math your DPS is going to be higher casting the DOTS first (as they get another 1- 1 1/2 seconds to tick) before casting Immolate.

But, as I said, you also then lose the front loaded damage of the DD immolate. Honestly, you can go either way, but you're splitting a teeny tiny hair that might be 1 or 2 dps.

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November 06, 2008, 03:20 PM	#21 (permalink)
cheddams	Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide Im sorry if this a really silly question but what does "RNG" stand for?

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November 06, 2008, 03:33 PM	#22 (permalink)
Rutiene Character Info Luxury 80 Blood Elf Warlock Deathwing US PvP Guild: Addiction Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 54/0/17	Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide Random Number Generation. A function used by the game which essentially determines whether or not you get a crit or not. An example of how it might work is: You have an 18% crit chance. The RNG generates a random number between 1-100, and if its between 1-18 you get a crit, if its not you don't. RNG is never truly random though, but usually its good enough to provide a good emulation of true randomness.

November 06, 2008, 03:57 PM	#23 (permalink)
cheddams	Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide Thanks much.

November 07, 2008, 03:48 PM	#24 (permalink)
Fallenman	Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide Also to note, I will be updating this next week. Mainly for the intents of getting the DPCT numbers inline with Wrath of the Lich King, and changing the spec. The rest of the guide would remain the same in terms of relevance towards Wrath of the Lich King raiding.

November 07, 2008, 04:09 PM	#25 (permalink)
Crypt Status: Guide Writer	Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide Excellent guide, thankyou for submitting it here (first time I have seen it). An asset to The Den!

November 07, 2008, 06:58 PM	#26 (permalink)
Addrenaline Character Info addrenaline 70 Human Warlock Teranas Euro PvE Guild: The Lion Hearts Talent Spec: 7/46/8	Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide Originally Posted by Fallenman I've always been a lurker here, never posted much actively. But, when i first created my warlock so long ago, this site was a tremendous help. I figure the least I can do is post any major guides, theorycrafting, etc, that I have that's relevant. Thanks for the post Great post, Im new to full affliction and your post really fills the grey area's I had so can't wait to give it a try at Kara on Monday lol * Information added 4 Minutes and 4 Seconds later... * Note in case your wondering, I re-spect my char today so my talent tree shown hasnt caught up yet... Go afliction...

November 09, 2008, 02:43 PM	#27 (permalink)
Canadianpimp Character Info Kobekid 80 Human Warlock Kilrogg US PvE Guild: Good With Ketchup Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58	Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide I read this on your and Clearly's blog the other day FM. Again, great stuff and thanks for bringing it to the site. __________________

November 10, 2008, 11:04 AM	#28 (permalink)
Fallenman	Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide I have updated all figures, values, and the build used, to something relevant to level 80.

November 10, 2008, 12:03 PM	#29 (permalink)
Evenflo Character Info Evenflo 70 Undead Warlock Turylon US PvE	Re: WOTLK affliction raiding, how-to guide Couple quick follow ups to what has been an awesome resource! With respect to 80: 1) In checking the build, I notice no points in Soul Siphon and was wondering given the new Level 77 Drain Soul Drain Soul - Spell - World of Warcraftif the DPCT figure for Drain Soul especially once the mob hit below 25%, would be higher than shadow bolt and, as a result, another equal or better "filler" option? 2) What has been the experience thus far with the debuff limit? 3) While your linked build appears to be for 70, was curious how you planned on designating points for filler to reach 5/5 Ruin? 3/3 Molten Core for Immolate and 2/5 ISB as a filler? Thanks.

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