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Raid Composition Guide
Published by Cormanthor
April 22, 2009 |
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The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to Cormanthor For This Useful Post:
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: Raid Composition Guide
I'm blind... Great work, thank you. Still a few questions though: What spellpower is taken for the calculation of Demonic Pact? Base from gear? Including Fel Armor? Flasks? Pet buffs? Raid buffed I'm usually above 3k spellpower, while I only got some 2k from gear... so I'd like to know |
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Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various |
Re: Raid Composition Guide
Last I looked this was still under discussion. I believe there was a bug in Demonic Pact that did not include Fel Armor in the buff once proc'd. I believe this was fixed and now should include all of your spellpower at the moment of the proc (not too sure, but this may include trinkets). I'll have to do some digging and possibly respec for testing (and some Meta-fun) next week.
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Sqrl 80 Undead Warlock Thorium Brotherhood US RP Guild: Caitiff Knights Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 00/13/58 |
Re: Raid Composition Guide
Excellent guide! This really helps me understand where I stand in a raid as well as where others stand in relation to me. Big props for putting this out. |
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Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various |
Re: Raid Composition Guide
I couldn't sleep this morning so I scoured EJ and found this thread. On the PTR before patch 3.1, it seemed to account for everything except possibly Lightweave procs and Glyph of Life Tap (and maybe Demonic Knowledge). Trinket procs, food, flasks, etc all counted. I'll have to respec and do some testing on the dummy to find out for sure next week.
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Luxury 80 Blood Elf Warlock Deathwing US PvP Guild: Addiction Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 54/0/17 |
Re: Raid Composition Guide
Jesus Cor, you weren't kidding about the colors.
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Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various |
Re: Raid Composition Guide
Tragik is starting his own guides going in depth on each important buff/debuff. Thus far we have Spellpower and Critical Strike. I'll link others as they come about.
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Re: Raid Composition Guide
"Improved Soul Leech - Replenishment (0.25% mana per second) Same as: Hunting Party, Enduring Winter, Judgements of the Wise, Vampiric Touch Same exact buff as four other classes. Most Destruction warlocks do not spec into this, favoring more DPS-oriented talents. Survival Hunters, Frost Mages, Retribution Paladins and Shadow Priests are all better choices when looking for this buff. (Bold added for emphasis) I don't believe this is true anymore. ISL is a DPS increasing talent because of 2% mana back portion. |
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Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various |
Re: Raid Composition Guide
It does hit high marks in Fallenman's Raiding Build Guide, however ISL isn't in the top 5 most popular Destruction raiding builds according to talentchic.com. I'm not too sure about the accuracy of the methods employed by talentchic though, as the #2 "raid" build is actually a PvP build. I guess it really boils down to two things: whether or not you need Suppression and your Raid Composition. The points you steal for Suppression generally come from iSL. You can get one or the other, but not often do you get both (although very possible, it is also very rare). However, if you raid with a Retribution Paladin or Shadow Priest, for instance, all of their popular raiding builds use it, including every "Shockadin" build. Hunters and Mages are less likely to carry it than we are. It is 100% a great choice for someone in the raid to have it. It is probably on the order of 80% great for two people to bring this ability (for 25mans with a lot of mana eaters). For the third and subsequent people, it is practically worthless (slight uptime increase, maybe).
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Some days it just not worth chewing through the restraints Last edited by Cormanthor; May 21, 2009 at 09:06 PM.. Reason: added other class data |
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Re: Raid Composition Guide
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My point was that the portion of the talent that gives back 2% of the locks total mana makes it a dps increasing talent regardless of your raid composition. You life tap significantly less and get to use the immo glyph rather than the lifetap one. That's part of the reason 13/58 scores higher than 3/13/55 in Simcraft. Simcraft doesn't care about raid composition beyond the fact it assumes it's perfect. So a destruction lock that is capable of being hit capped without suppression will do so and go 13/58 with ISL simply to increase his own personal dps, raid benefits are a side effect. Hence, my saying its not true "most destro locks won't take ISL". If at all possible, they will take it. There are no other "dps increasing talents" to take if you are hit capped through gear, and being hit capped through gear and taking ISL is preferable from a purely selfish personal DPS perspective as well. |
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