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October 07, 2008, 01:21 PM
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Redmage's 3.0.2 Destro PvP suggestions
For those of you interested in destro PvP after the big 3.0 patch next week. Try the following specs for your 70s. Generic Destro build (0/14/47) Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Gains Backdraft, Soul Link, and it is very much the spiritual successor to the popular 7/7/37, 7/7/47 build. With corruption now instant, this will play similarly to the old destro...
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What if what they really want is for us to herd our demons back into the void like we're doing? Because if we re-roll DKs, General, we do that, and everything that we have bled and fought and died for is over, and they've won. They've already won! |
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November 03, 2008, 11:57 AM
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Vaell 80 Blood Elf Warlock Scarshield Legion Euro RP PvP Guild: The Final Contingency Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: Redmage's 3.0.2 Destro PvP suggestions
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I came from an affliction / demo background so my existing crit gear was somewhat lacking, though I'd had the foresight to get both the dreadweave and felweave of S2 gear a while back. I lack a decent crit weapon so I'm debating whether to invest in the warstaff, or just save my honour for 80. My heart is telling me to buy the staff, but my head is saying keep the honour. Haste is lovely, and I do understand that balance is key. As I go on collecting gear through the expansion I'll have something different to take into consideration which is a fun aspect of the game. I was just blown away when I fully expected to be pretty useless by gimping my hp and resilience so much and found the opposite to be true. But yes: I. Need. More. Crit! 
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November 06, 2008, 04:12 PM
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Re: Redmage's 3.0.2 Destro PvP suggestions
I have a question for you Redmage. I been using this build, I love it. I've always wanted to play destruction but sl/sl was the only way to do decent in arenas. So as this spec, it's awesome i can pretty much beat any class and sometimes even 2v1 people, as well as kill some before they even touch me! The biggest concern I have is Arcane mages, they seem to give me the most trouble mainly due to slow(longer cast times ) and arcane barrage(they never have to cast) and CS. I'm sure they would be easier if i used felhunter but, that would probly screw me against every other class. So I was just wondering how you deal with mages now, any info would be appreciated 
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"There are only three sins - causing pain, causing fear, and causing anguish. The rest is window dressing." -Roger Caras |
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November 06, 2008, 06:48 PM
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Tianshaan 80 Human Warlock Terokkar US PvE Guild: Vae Victus Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: Redmage's 3.0.2 Destro PvP suggestions
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We are going to have a blast in Winterspring, so that will be a hell of alot of honor gained from just having fun. Go spend your marks, man! |
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November 06, 2008, 07:27 PM
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Evilundrpnts 70 Gnome Warlock Uther US PvE Guild: Uthers Legion Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: Redmage's 3.0.2 Destro PvP suggestions
lol....why dont they just give everyone a pet....warriors can have little beer kegs attack you...rogues can have little swiss army knives with legs... |
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November 06, 2008, 09:31 PM
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Re: Redmage's 3.0.2 Destro PvP suggestions
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Arcane mages are very tough. To be honest, I have not faced enough 1v1 to give a very definitive strategy killing them with destro. Anyone reading this please correct me if you see any mistakes. The greatest strength of arcane mage PvP is that almost everything they cast is instant. They basically spam Arcane barrage everytime it is up, and when it is not up, they will spam other instants. They will also use AP->POM combo for massive burst damage. Add to the fact they have good spell resist and absorption mechanics as well as slow and counterspell, so they are quite painful to deal with for any casters. Our greatest strength vs them is still CC. I would try this. Approach Shadowfury-->fear, corruption, curse of agony, immolate (if fear is not trinketed, throw in an incinerateshould still be up), Conflagrate, shadowburn. Notice that we haven't give him any chance to counter us yet. And our sequence, just like his, is very much instant base. Then do Deathcoil-->fear, reapply dots if necessary, immolate, nuke with incinerate if possible. Repeat Shadowfury--> fear, dot nuke sequence. This approach is basically chain fearing and dpsing, which should allow you to CC them most of the time. Obviously trinket and will of the forsaken will complicate things up. I am a gnome so I will try to use escape artist to remove slow. The fact that you have nether protection and soul link should be pretty good. Obviously, the succubus is pretty useless in this case as there is nothing to interrupt and you don't really need to establish distance. She should just be a source of extra annoyance and dps. I guess my point is to maximize fear usage and take full advantage while he is CCed. You want to keep his up time to as low as possible. Use a HS early if you anticipate a POM-->AP Pyroblast coming. If you ask me, it is a hard fight, but not one that they are specifically good at vs us. I did one or two 1v1 last night in AV and won both situation. But I must say as of this point I am still exploring this match up.
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What if what they really want is for us to herd our demons back into the void like we're doing? Because if we re-roll DKs, General, we do that, and everything that we have bled and fought and died for is over, and they've won. They've already won! |
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November 06, 2008, 11:14 PM
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Re: Redmage's 3.0.2 Destro PvP suggestions
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I find a smart thing to do is make them CS the school of magic you want. since destro is a mix between shadow and fire. If i need to CC them I spam searing pain, incinerate ect. to force them to CS to stop my burst, then I fear, shadowfury, drain life and play defensive til my fire spells are back up and it seems to work, all in all though I see them as our toughest opponents as of now.
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"There are only three sins - causing pain, causing fear, and causing anguish. The rest is window dressing." -Roger Caras |
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November 06, 2008, 11:28 PM
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Re: Redmage's 3.0.2 Destro PvP suggestions
The nice thing is the fear now only breaks when you hit 5k damage and it is very predictable. So you can try to maximize the damage done while feared. I have yet to really find the optimal combo, but I think pile on the dots and unload the big nukes seems to be the way to go. Oh, one of my favourite tactics to use is to Start a soul fire cast on the arcane mage. This will almost always force them to CS...or potentially eat a 5k Soul fire.... Edit: Just to add, our solution to Arcane mages can very well lie with Chaos Bolt.... Hmm, are they our toughest opponents? I think they are right up there. I would think a well geared, well played played Feral druid is more of a counter class to Succy-destro.
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What if what they really want is for us to herd our demons back into the void like we're doing? Because if we re-roll DKs, General, we do that, and everything that we have bled and fought and died for is over, and they've won. They've already won! Last edited by Redmage; November 06, 2008 at 11:32 PM.. |
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November 07, 2008, 10:24 AM
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Norkoth 80 Undead Warlock Gilneas US PvE Guild: The Red Branch Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: Redmage's 3.0.2 Destro PvP suggestions
Hi guys, I'm new here and wanted to join in the fun! I was previously full affliction (61/0/0 and 56/0/5) and decided I wanted to try out some destro action. I read about the instant Seduce for PvP fun and made up a 0/17/44. Then I came across this thread and found the 0/14/47 which seem much better, and I'm going to try that out tonight. Just wanted to say, if anybody thinks they want to try it, but hesitates because of bad gear, don't! Give it a shot! I have crap gear (hit 70 5 days ago), but it still works pretty well for me. Sure, I'm not top of the charts (~9k HP, 67 resilience, +650 and 15% crit doesn't exactly make me a brawler  ) but it's an absolute blast to play and gives me a "sporting" chance against the melee with all the CCs available. Besides nothing is more fun than seducing a rogue that just stunned you. 
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November 07, 2008, 10:56 AM
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Ngatayou 85 Gnome Warlock Khadgar US PvE Guild: Little Rascals Talent Tree: Destruction |
Re: Redmage's 3.0.2 Destro PvP suggestions
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft I'm currently rolling with that. Red, you were completely right, Imp succy is UNBELIEVABLE. I'm currently in my PVE gear, but when I'm in my PVP gear, I link up with her because she has nearly as much health as my Voidwalker had pre 3.0 (around 9K). Seduce and Nuke is finally almost viable again. Not to mention that having Pyroclasm proc off Conflag is unbelievable. Last night I was running a little EOTS marathon....and loving life. I would purposely goad rogues into attacking me waiting for them to blow their kidney shot, then immediately seducing them, trinketing, and blowing them to absolute pieces. 10 more talent points means Chaos Bolt, which means time to really hurt rogues. But all in all, the new insta-cast shadowfury and pyroclasm are outstanding. It procs nearly constantly. And in the event you can get a soul fire off, LOOK OUT. |
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November 07, 2008, 01:10 PM
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Evileye 70 Human Warlock Deathguard Euro PvP Guild: For the king Profile: Blizzard Armory |
Re: Redmage's 3.0.2 Destro PvP suggestions
As a newby destro warlock I'm curious should I pick up more haste or rough spell power? I can choose between 110 spell power or 100 haste. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance for advice.
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