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Old November 17, 2007, 12:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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70 Human Warlock
madoran US PvE
Guild: Contra
Talent Spec: 0/21/40
destruction rotation

just curious if anyone uses similar rotation and has agro problems with

my rotation is usually like this

Immolate

trinkett, curse of doom

shadowboltX4

Conflagrate

rinse and repeat... there is no time really wasted between and im constantly casting unless im life tapping. seems like rotation is good but threat is incredibly high

i was affliction til like a month ago and i have seen alot more damage with 0/21/40 but i have agro problems i watch threat meters but im wondering if maybe i should change my rotation or something like maybe not conflag or something untillater rotation also i know my gear lacks some crit so im thinking if i had another 5-10% my agro would be worse then now

any suggestions or ideas would be great thnx for taking the time to read this
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Old November 17, 2007, 01:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: destruction rotation

I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be using Conflagrate in a 0/21/40 rotation.
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Old November 17, 2007, 01:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: destruction rotation

Your threat is directly related to your dps. There's no way around it.

Also, using conflag lowers your dps.
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Old November 17, 2007, 02:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: destruction rotation

how would it lower dps if you wait til close to last tick of immolate? seems like more bang for the buck is it becuase it triggers GCD?
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Old November 17, 2007, 02:59 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: destruction rotation

Yes, you lose the 1.5sec of casting time and consume the last tick of immolate in order to conflag. You would be better off spending that 1.5 sec casting a new shadowbolt.
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Old November 17, 2007, 03:06 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: destruction rotation

Don't conflag in a boss fight unless you can't cast a shadowbolt during that time.

For maximum theoretical DPS on a static fight as 0/21/40, the only things worth casting are CoD, immolate, corruption, and shadow bolt. And corruption is only worth casting when ISB buff is NOT up (and if you have less than 1400ish +shadow). Any other spell that you cast will lower dps.
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Old November 17, 2007, 03:18 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: destruction rotation

so my sequence should be like this the

COD
immo
corrupt
shadow bolt spam

rinse repeat?

raid buffed with shammy im about 1300+ shadow damage

also would T4 set bonus be better then FSW set for this build?
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Old November 18, 2007, 12:55 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: destruction rotation

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Originally Posted by buzzkill
My destruction rotation is sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb, sb..
Those of us without T6 shadow priests like to throw a few life taps in there. I'm against throwing up immolate as 0/21/40. I have 300 more shadow damage than fire, no scorch mage, no CoE because we don't have any fire/frost mages. It's not worth the GCD in my raid setup.
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Old November 18, 2007, 05:07 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: destruction rotation

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Originally Posted by Zeroth View Post
so my sequence should be like this the

COD
immo
corrupt
shadow bolt spam

rinse repeat?

raid buffed with shammy im about 1300+ shadow damage

also would T4 set bonus be better then FSW set for this build?
corruption is also a waste mate, unless you got a specific reason to cast it, I would not use it in your build.
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Old November 18, 2007, 02:51 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: destruction rotation

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I'm against throwing up immolate as 0/21/40. I have 300 more shadow damage than fire, no scorch mage, no CoE because we don't have any fire/frost mages. It's not worth the GCD in my raid setup.
That might be true in your case, as you've gimped your immolate in favor of a slight mana use reduction and you're still wearing almost entirely T4 level and heavily shadow damage biased crafted gear. BUT, for almost every other 0/21/40 lock raiding past T4 content, immolate is higher damage per cast time than a shadowbolt and should therefore be used. In other words, if you have the gear to use 0/21/40 effectively and you haven't dumped points in cataclysm for some reason, use immolate.

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corruption is also a waste mate, unless you got a specific reason to cast it, I would not use it in your build.
Corruption benefits from an ISB that procs at any time while it is up, not just when cast. Therefore, if ISB is NOT up at the time you are choosing to cast either SB or Corruption, you should cast corruption because it's damage per cast time will be almost guaranteed to be above that of a shadow bolt cast with no ISB buff if ISB procs while corruption is up (and it will). Don't cast immolate if ISB is up though, cause it will be lower damage per cast time. BUT if you have T6 2 bonus or the BT trinket, you will be casting corruption regardless.
Make sense?



Edit:
Cynic, I just rechecked your spec on armory, instead of the spec listed in your 'talent spec' link. Is that your raiding spec or some weird SL/conflag pvp spec?

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