destro/sacrifice

[Bartjuh]

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@@ might be a bit difficult to know exatly what I mean maybe because I First needed more
experience in game to set a post like this up and I used some pretyped parts in it because
of experience gained after and stuff
@@ Plz only anwser the question if ya have something usefull... I know my post insn't perfect
and will take time to read it if ya reply but dont send me to forum links because been on so
many post and checking up on things!

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Destruction talents :40 points
most important ... dont use talent 'cataclysm' since the main thing you will be doing = shadowbolt casting, since ya only save 19 mana per bolt ya have to cast to many bolts to get 1 extra bolt so dont waste ya 5 points in that talent.
'destructive reach' is a must since it not only gives 20% more range but also 10 % less aggro and we all know how hard it is to stay below treath of the tank. In mine opinion spend also points in : -'Improved immolate'
-'conflagrate'
-'Emberstorm'
'Emberstorm' is mostly for when ya shadow spells get silenced for 5 sec and when not spend a bit in fire dam you will end up doing no damage when unlucky.

The 'improved immolate'speaks for it self and the conflagrate is a nice instant damage that brings up ya dps quite nice.

Also 'shadowburn' is very usefull for that last needed dam when the mob is almost down.

then of course we have the talents like : -'devastation'
since they increase ya crit very nice : -'Ruin'

'Improved shadowbolt' , 'Bane' and 'Flame and shadow' speaks for themself as a destro/sacrifice build.

For the casting order i mostly use :

curse of elements > Immolate > shadowbolt > shadowbolt > ...> conflagrate > immolate> shadowbolt > ... > conflagrate > ..... > .... > .... shadowburn.

The main thing i do is shadow bolt casting but when immolate almost ends, i use conflagrate so you have the full dot damage of the immolate and the conflagrate dam (also when ya crit with immolate it makes a nice total of damage) *Immolate initial dam + dot dam + conflagrate
Actually matter of repeating this matter and as ending i use shadowburn and when timed good it doesnt cost ya any shards.

ALso dont forget when ya have multiple locks in a raid to make sure ya know wich lock is doing wich curse. And ´curse of recklessness´is proven much more effective then ´curse of weakness´. Since the extra dam the mob deals is in a raid in comparitation with the tanks hp and defense and the healers +healing = neglectable in comparitation with the armor they loose.

Points spending summary : 'Improved shadow bolt' : 5
'bane' : 5
'Devastion' : 5
'shadowburn' : 1
'destructive reach' : 2
'Intensity' : 2
'ruin' :1
'improved immolate' : 5
'Emberstorm' : 5
'Backlash' : 3
'conflagrate' : 1
+ 'shadow and flame' : 5
total : 40

Demonology talents points summary : 'Improved healthstone' : 2
'Demonice embrace' : 5
'Fel intellect' : 3
'fel stamina' : 2
'Demonic aegis' : 3
'unholy power' : 5
+ 'sacrifice demon :1
total : 21
'fel stamina' 2 points can also be replaced by 'improved succubus' 2 points but this will mostly only is done for heroics dungeons like shadowlabs where a better seducing is most welcome, but for raiding I dont think its nescesarry and the 2% more hp ya have is handy instead i guess

Also the 'unholy power' is questionable since in raids ya mostly will sacrifice ya pet either ya succubus for the +15% shadow dam or felhunter for 3% Mana regenaration per 5 sec of ya total mana. and a stronger pet is then usefull i guess altho i miss the point myself of this talent points i spend but its for me the best way i think to make it possible to reach the 'sacrifice demon' talent.

Remember this is a raiding spec and you will only notice the advantage when ya gear is getting better but must say that when a shaman is in party and ya T4 set kicks in with the 150 + spell dam ya make crits from around 6500 and 7000 + , and dont think any other class i capable of making such crits. add the Improved immolate and conflagrate and shadowburn ya make a nice dps dealer in any raid and if the mobs are good vs shadow dam then ya still will make quite acceptable dam with ya fire dam.

Also dont forget Spell hit rating , spell crit and if possible spell haste rating.
But in mine opinion it is best to keep it balanced.
for example; 100 spell hit , 16 % or 17 % spell crit , 50 spell haste rating.
* the 16 or 17 % spell crit = >>> +5% of ya 'devastation' and the 'ruin' talent so dont be deceived by 16 or 17 % crit since it is much more

Things I forgot or learned during the time that has past since i posted this
First of all: Improved imp is recommendable since ya get even more stam for the tanks if ya on imp duty, and dont be sad about the 15 % dam and maybe the totem buff ya lose if a shammy is in the party since ya are making an important roll when ya get that imp buff up and seeing the tanks rise above 20k hp

@@ Question @@
shadow bonus dam : 1087 unbuffed fel armor buffed : 1217
spell crit rating : 15,88% (+5% for all destro class spell)
spell hit rating : 142
spell haste : 43 =(2% less casting time)
mana regen in combat : 0
depending on wich sacrifice i make :

total shadow spell dam : 15 % succubus
: 4% manaof total mana per 4 sec : felhunter
(note the difference ! Its mp4 not mp5)
some numbers : 9500 mana = 380 mp4
* dunno am not sure wich is best the 15% shadow bonus or the
380 mp4 but all depends i think on the healers gear ;) if ya want
to make his job little less though and we are all in raid to overcome
bosses and work as a team and maybe that little bit of heal is
enough to down a boss or not. well many ways to look at but
focusing in raid now on this 4mp4 vs the 15% bonus problem.

additional info on playstyle:
try keeping dots up ... immolate for the conflagrate and corruption for the additional trinket bonus dam of ( chanche on 285 to 475 per DOT)
(no limitted)
t4 set bonus of up to 150 spd

@@ Question number 1 @@: 4% mana per 4 sec or 15 % shadow bonus?

OK then next ...
ritssyn's Lost Pendant vs shattered sun pendant of acumen
int 0 18
stam 24 19
shadow dam 51
spell dam 37

bonusses chanche to call the power the power
light

@@ Question 2 @@ : Rittsyn's Lost pendant vs shattered sun Pendant of Acumen?

[villi]

I say lo spell hit rating 1. you must have about 200 - 210 spell hit rating to do destro, because no talent like in affl. Then no doubt 15% , ofc there is a certain boses which you need to sacr different pet but 99% succubus. And it is a bad rotation. Personally i dont immolate if i have 2-3 locks and sp cause it is a loose of dps. But if you have fire mage to buff your fire damage it is another story, use imo>incinerate incinerate... imo.... i was doing 10119 max crit on mob with t5/t6 on fire spell so....

[Theleb]

Just a couple of questions as I'm not sure where you're going with this....

Is this your guide to destruction DPS? Or where you asking a question about the playstyle and wanted some answers?

In either case, a couple of points:

Also dont forget Spell hit rating , spell crit and if possible spell haste rating.
But in mine opinion it is best to keep it balanced.
for example; 100 spell hit , 16 % or 17 % spell crit , 50 spell haste rating.

Its been proven that in order to get the most DPS from a Destruction build you should reach 202 hit rating as soon as possible, and for the most part ignore haste before late T6/SWP gearing.

Conflagrate is a proven DPS loss - its not worth using.

Corruption is a DPS loss without it being an instant cast - the damage per cast time is woefully low, even with its high spell damage coefficint.

[villi]

o forgot remove the conflagrate it has no use in pve cause you loose final tics on imo and mana and this is a mostly pvp talent better put this point somewhere else...

[levinho]

First off, there's too many errors in this post for me to even know if you are asking about pvp destro or pve destro. If this is a pve post you are so wrong in so many ways. If it is a pvp post then you need to reconsider a few things like demo sac. . .

Conflagrate does not improve your dps as pve destro whether fire or shadow. If fire you would still be better off using that gcd for the last tick or so of immolate and another incinerate.

Fel domination and master summoner is so much better than unholy power.

A point or two in soul leech never hurts. I would drop emberstorm for almost anything unless you are actually planning on being a fire lock in raids.

You should let your healers love you for life tapping because fel armor makes them look better. . . Forget the felpup sacrifice.

A destro lock is not a dot lock so don't try to play like one. Keep immolate up sure but don't conflag and don't cast corruption because there is no threat reduction on it.

I would also like to point out that there aren't many raid bosses that silence you. When you run into one, then you can't cast period there is no switching to fire because they aren't counterspelling that school.

[Bartjuh]

Thx ... so prob 15 % dam bonus better

And about the 2 necks ?
shattered sun pendant vs ritssyn's lost pendant?

[Theleb]

If you're Aldor, use SSO Pendant, if you're Scryer, use Rittsyn's.

[Devicus]

Originally Posted by Theleb

Its been proven that in order to get the most DPS from a Destruction build you should reach 202 hit rating as soon as possible, and for the most part ignore haste before late T6/SWP gearing.

See the logic I followed (for the same result) was earthier.

If you're not hit capped, regardless of specced hit is more than twice as effective for increasing DPS than crit, and tends to come with a little spell damage on early raid gear, so spell isn't a problem.

To play destro you want 17% crit from gear, but to get that means you either need to wait a while and progress a bit gearwise, or you're just gimping yourself. OR you've got the hit and not enough crit, so again, gimped.