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Old June 18, 2009, 03:21 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Emblem conversion in 3.2

This is really kinda dumb imo. but I noticed this on patch notes, and thought I would throw it out here. Personally, all this new badge stuff is getting rediculous. And making all the old bages not even worth obtaining..etc..They should leave what they had in place, and just add new items to be obtained or something. Or maybe convert all the heroism and valor stuff to conquest badge gear and convert all old emblems to conquest.

Emblem System Changes
  • Both the 10 and 25 player instances of the Crusaders' Coliseum drop a new Emblem of Triumph.
  • Any dungeons that previously dropped Emblems of Heroism or Valor, such as Naxxramas or Heroic Halls of Stone, will now drop Emblems of Conquest instead. Emblems of Conquest can still be converted to Valor or Heroism.
  • The heroic dungeon daily quest will now reward 2 Emblems of Triumph and the normal daily dungeon quest will reward 1 Emblem of Triumph.
  • The existing achievements to collect 1, 25, 50, etc. Emblems of Heroism, Valor, and Conquest have been converted to Feats of Strength since Heroism and Valor Emblems are no longer attainable.
  • New achievements have been added to collect various amounts of any combination of emblems.
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Old June 18, 2009, 04:17 PM   #2 (permalink)

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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2

This makes no sense at all to me. This makes it so players will be able to buy Naxx25/Uld10 level gear by running 5man Heroics. Possibly even better gear than that, with the new Emblems of Triumph coming from the H daily. It's kind of ridiculous getting a new kind of badge every patch, but this is not the way to go about consolidation.

I just hope the Emblem of Triumph gear is actually worth buying. The Emblems of Conquest drop mostly in Uld25, yet the gear you can buy with them are at best a sidegrade from Naxx25/Uld10 gear.
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Old June 18, 2009, 04:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2

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This makes no sense at all to me. This makes it so players will be able to buy Naxx25/Uld10 level gear by running 5man Heroics. Possibly even better gear than that, with the new Emblems of Triumph coming from the H daily. It's kind of ridiculous getting a new kind of badge every patch, but this is not the way to go about consolidation.

I just hope the Emblem of Triumph gear is actually worth buying. The Emblems of Conquest drop mostly in Uld25, yet the gear you can buy with them are at best a sidegrade from Naxx25/Uld10 gear.
It's called making it easy for alts/newbies to gear up to current level of raiding
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Old June 18, 2009, 04:45 PM   #4 (permalink)

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It's called making it easy for alts/newbies to gear up to current level of raiding
There's something to be said for that, just like with the changes they've been making to ease leveling. But to me this is just handing people gear they haven't worked for, invalidating the work I've put in to get the gear that I have.

I've said my piece, now I'll just go find a corner by myself and qq.
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Old June 18, 2009, 05:30 PM   #5 (permalink)

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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2

Tier gear is starting to get too easy to get... First VoA, now tier from heroics? Don't really understand this.

I would get it if they combined heroism and valor, but to convert both to ulduar level badges?
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Old June 18, 2009, 05:58 PM   #6 (permalink)

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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2

This makes perfect sense to us casuals who don't raid, or don't raid much. I'm almost to the point where I have nothing to get from Heroics. I like running them, but I don't get any gear from them. The current badge of heroism loot is not much, if any, of an upgrade. I'm glad they finally did this.

I will say they are getting ridiculous... how many badges do they need? Just make "Badge of Heroism" or whatever, and do the rest with cost and reward. So, make 5 man heroics give a few badges, 10 mans give more, 25's more. Make multiple levels of gear available for different prices, so I can buy a Naxx 10 level piece, or save up and spend more badges on the Naxx 25 level version. Let me use badges to buy Ulduar level gear - just not ulduar hard-mode gear, and maybe not all pieces.

And for those of you who are raiders who say "gear you haven't worked for", that's bull. Just because you ran Naxx 25 or Ulduar 10 raids a few times and got sweet loot, doesn't mean you "worked" harder than somebody who ran 40 Heroic 5 mans. If they do it right the time investment would be similar to get geared in Naxx 25 level gear, it's just that raiders get the gear faster in big time chunks, and those of us with more limited play time invest the same amount of time over a longer period in smaller chunks.

This is a game right? There should be some rewards available for spending time in the game, even if you can't commit to raiding. I know some of you don't agree with that, but there are a lot more of us with casual time requirements than there are hard core raiders. Be prepared for Blizzard to keep us both happy, as well they should. I know some of you will cry when you see somebody all epiced out from doing heroics, but you can console yourself with the knowledge that it took them 6 months longer to do it, and you have already moved on to new content and another tier of gear by then.
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Old June 18, 2009, 06:13 PM   #7 (permalink)

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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2

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And for those of you who are raiders who say "gear you haven't worked for", that's bull. Just because you ran Naxx 25 or Ulduar 10 raids a few times and got sweet loot, doesn't mean you "worked" harder than somebody who ran 40 Heroic 5 mans. If they do it right the time investment would be similar to get geared in Naxx 25 level gear, it's just that raiders get the gear faster in big time chunks, and those of us with more limited play time invest the same amount of time over a longer period in smaller chunks.
I don't disagree with this, but there needs to be some level of scale that seems to be missing currently. While there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to get Uludar gear if you grind out a ton of heroics (if that's your thing), there should be some exclusivity (at least for a time) for higher level content drops. I support merging heroism & valor badges at this point to give greater access to what was previously 25 man gear, but giving out Ulduar gear for heroics takes out a lot of the incentive to raid.

What seems to be on the plate is a one for one drop - you get a conquest badge a boss from Heroic UK and a badge a drop from 10 man Ulduar. That shouldn't be the case...

Either multiply the badge drops from Ulduar, massively increase the badges needed for gear (since you'll get more drops from raids per game hour than from instances), or don't do it at all. None of these sounds right. I prefer the idea of merging lower level badges as content progresses on. This feels like to big a jump.

Also, 'casuals' - I myself raid once or twice a week only - aren't cut off at all from raiding. While 25 man Ulduar or Naxx might be time consuming or difficult to Pug into, VoA/OS type raids are every bit as accessible as 5 man content.
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Old June 18, 2009, 06:18 PM   #8 (permalink)

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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2

I'm not all that crazy about this badge change myself. I would have like to see a couple of diffrent things like:
- converting 5-10 hero badges to valor and so on
- and if people were wanting to get gear for alts for raiding then make the badges BoA and then you could farm them with a main and then gear out an alt when your unable to get into naxx because your guild is focused on 'newer' content (sort of what I have now - druid alt that can tank anything up to 25 man naxx but no groups for 25 man naxx being run so I cant get my druid in to ulduar due to gear level)

also many people wont go for hero or valor badge gear and just go for conquest because it is better, only thing I think people wouldnt go for is relics/totems/ect... because the gear is just plain better with higher badges (Also why convert a conquest badge to a hero badge when you can just collect conquest and get the better gear)

sorry for the rambling and wall of text, did this at work between calls

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Old June 18, 2009, 06:23 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2

Seems to me that Blizzard did this because they didn't want too many level of badges in one expansion. It's kind of like in arena: Once better season-gear came out, the lesser gear can be more easily obtained.

I personally agree with this change, so my alts will be able to gear up faster. It doesn't negatively impact players clearing Ulduar, because as previously stated, the Conquest gear is not as much as an improvement as other gear is.

All in all, between this and other changes, I can't wait for 3.2!!!!
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Old June 18, 2009, 06:46 PM   #10 (permalink)

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Re: Emblem conversion in 3.2

its good to me
makes the GAME a bit easier for most, and gives those fat lifeless slobs who live in front of their computer something to whine about.
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invalidating the work I've put in to get the gear that I have.
ARE YOU SERIOUS. I dont rant much, but for f^&$ sake, if someone gearing up in heroics invalidates your game, you need to get out more..... /rant

i wish theyd done ths in The Burning Crusade --> Wrath of the Lich King - i have about 300 badges doing nothing from there...
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