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October 29, 2008, 04:42 PM
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Re: Suppression
Personally, I think this is a great, albeit controversial, talent for hard-core aff builds. The controversary: This increases your hit by 3% for aff spells while ignoring destro (SB) and demo (soulshatter) spells. Now, you can comp the 3% destro hit with the sister talent in the destro tree (catalysm), but you'll always be short 3% hit on soulshatter if you do this. This seems to be a bit of an issue for those locks out there that feel like that need 100% hit on all their spells. Why its really not a big deal: Soulshatter isn't the staple it used to be and that 3% doesn't really matter in my opinion. ALL Soulshatters these days should be pro-active as its muchmuch harder to grab aggro and its a whole lot easier to see aggro coming. If your shatter doesn't hit, then hold off on dps for a few seconds. Even with a 3% miss rate on Soulshatter, that means roughly 3% of the time, you'll have to back off dps for a few seconds. Overall, not a big deal as for most people, that means you might get a raid resist once a month or some such. Until you're well into 80 and oozing hit, this is a great talent (and even then it could probably be argued that saving the hit on your gear for other stats and going 3/3 supression is about 6 in one hand / 1/2 dozen in the other from a real game-play perspective). ...and yes, that 10% mana cost reduction that comes with the talent is a good buy in and of itself since you're going to need to drop points to get farther down the tree anyway. Last edited by heathisrae; October 29, 2008 at 04:53 PM.. |
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November 27, 2008, 11:10 PM
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Sidapa 80 Orc Warlock Bonechewer US PvP Guild: Tribo Habagat Profile: WoW Rankings Talent Spec: 0/40/31 |
Re: Suppression
just how does the mana-cost reduction work? say i have 3 talent points on suppression (6% mana reduction), and i cast a rank 9 Curse of Agony (costs 10% of base mana), does it reduce Curse of Agony's mana cost to only 4% of base mana? or is it 6% of the Curse of Agony's 10% mana cost (.06 x .1 of mana cost) hence effectively reducing mana cost only to 9.4% of total base mana? |
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November 27, 2008, 11:24 PM
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Xavron 80 Gnome Warlock Moon Guard US RP PvE Guild: Veritas Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/1/17 |
Re: Suppression
I'd assume 9.4% of base mana... it would be too OP otherwise. |
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December 15, 2008, 11:21 AM
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Mithgaar 80 Blood Elf Warlock Khaz'Goroth Oceania PvE Guild: Conviction Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/1/17 |
Dropping off suppression
Just wondering is it worth going for the max hit cap then dropping off the points in suppression and placing them else where. Or is it better to keep its at the talented cap and re-gem/chant gear to stay at the talent cap and having more +damage on your gear
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December 15, 2008, 12:59 PM
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Xavron 80 Gnome Warlock Moon Guard US RP PvE Guild: Veritas Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 53/1/17 |
Re: Dropping off suppression
Suppression cuts the mana cost of your affliction spells by 6% at 3 points. So for any Affliction warlock, Suppression is well worth the points. Cataclysm is a tougher sell... it doesn't have any secondary benefits. And I'd think that an extra bit of spell damage would be better over the long run then going for the top-end hit-cap. |
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December 15, 2008, 01:09 PM
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Re: Dropping off suppression
Don't forget cataclysm reduces destro costs by 1% per rank also. Not amazing, really, but not having to worry about gear for it is priceless. Later on when hit is easier to come by and you're in T8, maybe drop it for some threat reduction and additional damage but right now, it's a big weight off you, gearwise. |
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December 15, 2008, 01:25 PM
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Fizzik 80 Blood Elf Warlock Dunemaul US PvP Guild: Ghosts of Damnation Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Dropping off suppression
I'm working on +hit gear for Naxx, and don't think that I'll be dropping suppression. Although I haven't really looked to much at raid gear yet, I would think that generally most pieces of +hit gear come at the expense of other useful stats like spell damage or (more likely haste or crit). Since there's a difference of 78 hit between non-suppression hit cap and cap w/suppression. If you were to drop suppression, you'd have to trade it in for at least 2 (possibly 3) pieces of gear with +hit to make up the difference. So the question is : is there a place where those 3 talent points could go that would make up for the (likely) loss of damage/haste/crit that you're losing on gear? If you're pretty deep in any talent tree, I would think not. If you consider cataclysm together with suppression, that's 6 points that may be better spent elsewhere (maybe MC on an afflic build...). Still, unless the best higher level gear adds up enough +hit to make suppression/cataclysm meaningless without sacrificing some other dps stat, I would think that the talents are more efficient. Haven't done the math on it though. |
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December 15, 2008, 03:42 PM
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Yawg 70 Gnome Warlock Staghelm US PvE Guild: Knights of the Rose Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 40/0/21 |
Re: Dropping off suppression
Its not as bad as it was but if you get Supprerion with out Cataclysm your still going to at least want to get totaly hit capped because your SB and Immolate are still a decent amount of your damage. Granted you can probably pull it off alot better now they you could in BC since your not using SB as much in your rotation. |
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December 15, 2008, 07:10 PM
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Re: Dropping off suppression
Shouldn't this be under the Suppression - The Warlocks Den Forums thread? Quote:
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