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Old July 18, 2007, 12:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Fenris US PvE
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Oh the hatred!!!

Just thought I'd post my rant...

I've been playing my lock for over a year now, was a complete noob to WoW when I started, as many of us I'm sure were. Well, not long after I was approached to sign a charter to form a guild, which I did. The guild went nowhere, and a guildie and I decided to start our own guild.
We had some very good ideas on how to run the guild, and some great hopes of building it up and eventually running the endgame content. My guildie struck up the charter, we got the sigs, and our new guild was born.

Fast forward a year, and the guild is much much larger now, but has a complete lack of structure. Open recruting, no guild events, people ignoring each other, and absolutly zero high level players.
I tried several times to correct these problems, but as my guildie was the actual chartered "GM" there wasn't much I could do. He was the only one with admin privledges for the website, only he could impose limitations on who could become a member (and who couldn't), and basically while he called it our guild it most certainly was his, and his alone.

As I began to approach 70, I started to want to do more instances, I kept hearing all about the shadow labyrinth, Steamvaults, and Karazan and I wanted to go there. I wasn't a 70 yet, but now I had a goal, and a desire to hit instances that I'd really never had when it came to the pre-BC content that I'd pretty much skipped.
I kept trying to do what I could to turn "our" guild around. I did what I could by offering "suggestions" and focuses to my guildie about guiding the members into what would be an active and productive, yet still casual and friendly guild.
I did this for several months, I hit 70. I began to see if I wanted anything it was going to be on me. I started pugging groups into all the places I'd wanted to experience. I pugged my quests, I pugged my instances, never a guildie in sight.
I got tired of pugging. I became sick and tired of taking 2 hours to find a group that was a crap shoot, at best, once inside. I got sick of loosing out on loot to ninjas (Oblivion shoulders to a hunter wtf!?!). I just got tired.
Decided to dump my herbalism for tailoring, figured it was the only way I was going to see a level 70 epic, as I was obviously never going to see Kara. Worked my tail off, got my swift windrider, got my drake. Hit a wall.

Completly sick of playing my 70, log on to make my tailor and alch cooldowns, maybe earn some gold doing dailies, get bugged by guildies to walk the through SFK (read as free loot, no work) log off play my alt.
Sick of wow.

At work one day, I told a friend my dillema, he suggested I join a serious raid guild. I thought about it, but at the same time I knew I would feel really crappy if I left my old guild, so I did nothing. I kept thinking about it though.

A few weeks later, I decided to go for it. I filled out an app for one of the most advanced raiding guilds on my server, and 3 days later, BAM I'm invited...Woot!!

Well, I figured it would be hard to leave my guild, but I figured that they would understand. I wanted to raid more than anything, and it was pretty clear that that was not going to be happening anytime soon in the guild.
I talked to my guildie/GM and he acted like he didn't care. It was my life, and it's just a game, and all of that. He then logged off. I said my goodbyes to the guild, reassured them that I would still be there for them if they needed me, and then /gquit.

Next thing you know, some good friends in the guild are psting me, and calling me at home giving me the play by play of how the GM is back on and flaming me in chat, and not just once, but most of the evening. The next day at work, I talk to a friend in the guild, he tells me that the GM was still flaming me the next day.

So I have to ask...if you are in a guild that is ruining your enjoyment of the game, why is it wrong to quit? If you quit, why is it such a big deal to others? And most importantly how can anyone reasonably expect someone to work their butt off leveling to 70, and then expect them to just stop? And then hate them for moving on? I'm sorry but I want to raid, I want T-5, I don't consider the game over for me, and I'm done with people holding me back...

/endrant
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Old July 18, 2007, 01:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Oh the hatred!!!

You're story sounds exactly like mine. You're gonna have fun again, you made the right choice!

I remember one person in particular that would give me a little crap for leaving way back then. That person recently quit the game because it wasn't fun for him anymore.
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Old July 20, 2007, 07:01 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Oh the hatred!!!

You tried to turn your guild round, it wouldn't then you did the right thing. And your GM is a loser. I have a story which is the complete opposite... but I'll save it for now.
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Old July 20, 2007, 07:19 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Fenris US PvE
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Re: Oh the hatred!!!

Well, the story does have a happy ending...

My new guild rocks, ran through SL for my first key frag yesterday, took all of 2 minutes to get a group, exterminated everything in 37min... zero deaths, zero wipes, 100% bloodbath

I'll be in Kara by next week, if there was ever a doubt that leaving the old guild was the right thing to do, there isn't anymore.

...to quote Clive barker's Hellbound,

"...and to think, I hesitated."
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Old August 08, 2007, 09:33 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Fenris US PvE
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Re: Oh the hatred!!!

Just thought I'd share an update with the Den...

Been in my new guild for about 20 days now, and since then I've downed High King, Gruul, and as my guild stood up group 3 last night, I've now entered Kara.
First run through there and we 1 shotted huntsman, moroes, and maiden; 2 shotted curator, and as for Romulo and Julianne...well, that was tricky but we nailed 'em. Next raid is Thursday, and Prince WILL fall!!


...but anyway, the real reason I'm posting this is to make a point to anyone else who might be trapped in a delimma like I was. The bottom line needs to be making yourself happy, and doing what you want to do. If you're not happy playing, only you can change things to make it enjoyable again...and yeah, there might be some bad blood, burned bridges, and drama...but it will pass, and things will be better than ever.

I don't regret any decision I've made in this matter, and I still have my good friends from before, and a bunch of new ones as well. And I still smile at the thought of my old GM knowing I'm raiding, seeing, and killing things that he will never even dream of laying eyes on outside of youtube...


...lol

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Old August 08, 2007, 09:47 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Oh the hatred!!!

Good for you mate - really happy it turned out this way for you.

Enjoy
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