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June 18, 2009, 09:20 AM
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Doomblood 80 Orc Warlock Ysondre US PvP Guild: Canada Kicks Naxx Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/55/16 |
When Raiding For the Horde goes wrong -or- Why it doesn't pay to be helpful
So last night I joined up with a raid group to go kill the leaders of the alliance in the capitol cities "For The Horde". We started out strong, we met up in Arathi where me and the only other lock in the raid dropped summon stones and started summoning, got raid organized and ran to IF. WG was going on at the time so resistance was low to non existent. We downed the dwarf with ease and started for the trams. Now this is where it all starts to fall apart... We stopped in the SW end of the tram to resummon stragglers so I dropped my summoning stone and started to summon. I summoned two people and the entire raid left the tram to go kill the King, as the "summon me" requests continued as there were still quite a few behind. I let them know that I was now alone and could not summon which only received the response of "summon me". Finally another stragler caught up and helped me summon the rest we then ran to the king. By time we got there the King was down, no problems, we start laying into him as only the horde can and he goes down...now the allie resistance is starting to get a little heavier...the raid out of the castle and started on its way to the dockks to head for the Exodar. I stayed behind for a second to help a fellow hordie get an annoying NE Hunter of his back but by this point the raid had left us on out own and about 12 allies showed up and preceded to camp the two of us as we corpse hopped to the docks. I had one lucky break when i managed to hide in the bottom of the canal thx to unending breath. The raid then arrived at the Exodar and again the calls for summons begins followed almost immediatly by the call for a lock to drop a stone. Now I'm not sure as to what went down but I was dead in SW and the other lock was with raid and I think he said he dropped a stone, but all I know is before the exodar started he had to "go get ready for guild raid" and left. I am now the only lock. Though the other lock was a BE so I kinda always felt like the only lock. :P The calls for summons continue and I kept trying to corpse hop to catch up to them. Then the rest of the raid starts to do the mature thing and start to chirp me about not catching up to them and for being dead in general, saying I was a failure as a lock and most of the other rediculous things they could come up with. I pointed out the fact that if they really wanted to do something constructive instead of just flapping there gums then they could run back to the SW harbor deal with the now 4 allie camping me and the low level guards that patrol, they all kinda shut up except for a couple more people who were waiting for summons and began to blame me for "ruining their night" or "making their day/night" and lots of other sarcastic comments. The raid downed Exodar and started for Darn. They got to Auberdine and were waiting for the boat just as I was now waiting for the boat to get to Auberdine. Big sigh of releif as I boarded the boat to auberdine to finally catch up with the raid and was ganked by a stealthed druid as a hunter ran down the dock behind me...dead on the boat...raid goes on to Darn. I don't release my body and when the boat loads in Auberdine I get a free res and the druid again starts trying to rip me apart...I dive off the boat and throw on glyphed unending breath and easily swim away. Got to the shore, tried to get out the pier to FINALLY catch up to raid and BAM I start to get slammed by explosive shots from behind. I turn to try and fight him but he manages to keep me out of my cast distance but certainly in is kill range, I am camped again...the raid downed the Darn and somehow I received credit even though I was still dead in Auberdine but yeah...the raid ends and breaks up and we all go seperate ways. But here I still am...a soulless corpse on the end of the pier in Auberdine, getting tea bagged and laughed at and all the other fun things we do to honor a corpse...all because I tried to be Mr. Helpful Niceguy and help out some fello hoard, only to not have the favor returned. And instead I bacame a pariah. Now I'm not whining and saying it was all the rest of the raids fault that all the things that happened to me happened, or that I'm such an amazingly 1337 player that these things never happen to me. And I don't think that just because I could drop the summoning stones I deserved special treatment but maybe...just maybe...you'd think that in a raid group such as this where having locks around to help summon up straglers and those who died and now can't keep up would be a bit of a prioritie, and I mean really it's not like I was asking them to fly way out to Icecrown or some rediculous thing to come get me...or not releasing and demanding they come res...I was a single city behind and all that was needed was for a few guys to just stay on the boat and come back to help over power the few allie resistance. So I guess the lesson I learned from this incredable experiance is that next time I guess I'll just have to play like an asshole and help no one but myself. Sad to say but this has become one of the large differences I've noticed about the Horde and the Alliance, it was always easier to find people who would selflessly sacrifice themselves to help someone with something when I was with the alliance...all you ever seem to hear from the Horde when asking for help is "Go away noob, reroll allie and L2P" Which at time's I do start to strongly consider, but then some poor little lowbie will ask for help in the trade or general chat, where they receive all the usually noob garbage and my heart sinks a little as I try to help them...possibly the last member of the Horde who cares.
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Real warlocks know it takes more then casting fear to be feared. Providing quality locking sense 1337 XD Last edited by Nasty; June 18, 2009 at 09:39 AM.. |
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June 18, 2009, 10:27 AM
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Re: When Raiding For the Horde goes wrong -or- Why it doesn't pay to be hel
I was with you right up until you started with the broadbrushing......On the couple servers I frequent I haven't noticed that big a difference between the maturity levels and willingness to help each other on the two sides. |
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June 18, 2009, 10:34 AM
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Re: When Raiding For the Horde goes wrong -or- Why it doesn't pay to be hel
It might be because I'm Dutch but...what is broadbrushing??
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June 18, 2009, 10:44 AM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: When Raiding For the Horde goes wrong -or- Why it doesn't pay to be hel
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LOL @ assigning generalities to an entire faction as if they all think alike. I've been on helpful horde and helpful alliance and unhelpful alliance servers. It really depends on the culture of the server and who has chosen to join it and less a tendency of whether someone rolled horde or alliance making them good or bad. |
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June 18, 2009, 10:56 AM
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Eschatos 80 Gnome Warlock Emerald Dream Euro PvE Guild: Seven Sins Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 55/0/16 |
Re: When Raiding For the Horde goes wrong -or- Why it doesn't pay to be hel
well ******** will be there forever. from my wide experience with allies, they can be rude as well. i recently rolled a hordie and i can say people in ogrimar are polite, willing to help or boost for free just because they are bored. allies when they get bored they just alt-tab and /afk. if they dont, you cant get them to move away from the IF bank-plaza or SW lil square
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June 18, 2009, 11:02 AM
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Fecys 80 Undead Warlock Azjol-nerub Euro PvE Guild: is a sinner Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: When Raiding For the Horde goes wrong -or- Why it doesn't pay to be hel
I dont understand that you even see a problem... I bed 90% of the people didnt even notice that you where lying there dead, so they didnt come up whit the idea of helping.. Also I dont think popping a summon stone is as much help as coming back to darnassus to help you... it's the same as saying buffing is a big effort. Its just what your class does and if it doesnt cost you much effort why not do it for others? I bet most people didnt come up whit the idea of helping you, maybe if you asked some people would have. |
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June 18, 2009, 11:06 AM
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RomaGoth 80 Human Warlock Durotan US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 30/41/0 |
Re: When Raiding For the Horde goes wrong -or- Why it doesn't pay to be hel
Sounds like a normal day in WoW. Sometimes you run into morons and sometimes you don't, just as in real life. I would not go so far to say that this is horde or alliance specific. At least you got the achievement, so the night was not a complete waste, right?  Quote:
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As warlocks, we should be accustomed to being treated like this, however, as most players who have not played our class have no idea what they are talking about. I would not worry too much about what these people said. Such is gaming.
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If I want your opinion I'll have my Felguard beat it out of you. Last edited by RomaGoth; June 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM.. |
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June 18, 2009, 11:24 AM
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Doomblood 80 Orc Warlock Ysondre US PvP Guild: Canada Kicks Naxx Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/55/16 |
Re: When Raiding For the Horde goes wrong -or- Why it doesn't pay to be hel
Yes yes I have found examples of great and horrible people on both factions and I'll admit that my current serv deffinitly has a problem with the tweeners spamming "anal links" but its just the current annoying joke people think is still funny...kinda like chuck norris jokes...they may still fly in the barrens but thats mostly expected by now. I did get all the acheivments for all cities except exodar so I guess I'll get to try again. Also I would of loved to drop another summon stone, I however was lacking the two comrades to help summon it. I was in the raid chat constantly updating them all as to my situation, however most of the responses i got were "lol"'s and "dude just hurry up". I do remember back in the day when I was still a human lock (shudders at thought) and it was alot the same as far as useless and useful people were concerned, that character was lost however when he was booted from his guild...of which he was second officer under only the gm but was told he used too harsh a language at times...only after I'd been talking in this "harsh" way for only the last 8 months...funny how fast the guild turned into keeners just because they didn't have the thought to turn on the language filter...and only get pissed when I suggested it to them. Really I guess the whole unhelpful Horde thing steems from my old serv where there was alot of helpful hordies but I just transfered servs to one with a much lower pop and have mostly just not found as many helpful people yet and have only noticed that usually when someone ever asks for help its usually me or one of my guildies I xfer'd with that helps them as they get flamed by elitist trolls that probably don't know how to help anyways, but they still feel like chiming in. Quote:
Deffinitly got my mind back in the right place. Some people fear us, others respect us, all misunderstand us. we don't conjure food but feast on the souls of our enemies, We don't heal others, but only ourselves. WE ARE LOCKS AND THE FORCES OF DARKNESS ARE OUR PLAYTHINGS !!! /salute to all my brothers of shadow!!
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June 18, 2009, 12:02 PM
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Re: When Raiding For the Horde goes wrong -or- Why it doesn't pay to be hel
I had this same thing happens about 2 weeks ago when I jumped into a raid group to complete "For the Alliance". All though my beef is with the 2 other warlocks in the raid /sigh... So with 3 of us sitting in Ratchet with half the raid there we started to receive "summon plz", "I need summon", & "hey lock summon!". Well considering that I take my job in this raid seriously I open a portal and begin the summon. I then begin whispering the other locks to open one themselves and start on groups 4,5, & 6 while I finish the others. No reply's no summon portals open NOTHING!!!! At this point I have dropped 4 shards on just portals and raid leader does a ready check. To which I click NO, that obviously goes unheard b/c everone mounts up and heads out. As I am still standing there summoning... Well needless to say when the rest of the raid gets to re-group spot the raid leader starts asking for warlock to summon straglers. I tell him I was left behind in Ratchet trying to do just that. AGAIN there are 2 other warlocks in the raid that never even attempted to help!!!  You would think that your brothers/sisters in Shadows & Darkness would try and help you out. Guess it's the everyone for themselves attitude... I try to help people when I can and am a generally nice person... Maybe I need to re-evaluate my philosophy 
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June 18, 2009, 12:30 PM
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RomaGoth 80 Human Warlock Durotan US PvE Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 30/41/0 |
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