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August 27, 2009, 01:42 PM
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Something I've started to notice.... and a message.
This has been touched on in the past in discussions about the changes to emblems, the new heroic 5 man in 3.2, and prior changes to the levelling system. I've started to notice as I've been recruiting and raiding the past couple of weeks what I thought might happen, and that's players in semi-good gear doing half the raid dps they said they would (and that maybe they should), healers letting tanks die for stupid reasons, etc. These are the SHINY NEW TOONS everyone has recently geared up. The ones with 840 achievement points, 2 piece conqueror, a smattering of epics and a level 78 cloak and ring. I have a message for you... There is a relationship between raid progression and skill level to some degree, especially with tanking, healing and certain hard-to-maximize dps classes. It's not enough to spend a week levelling, a week running the same instance over and over, and then expect to be my first choice to go to Ulduar or TotC 25, and then give you loot other people have been raiding for weeks or months to get, after I made it clear what my expectations were and how we did and didn't raid. Some players have played many different or similar classes and they are able to catch on more quickly than others, but I will never put a healer who has never so much as healed a single quarter of Naxxramas in their life in a progression raid. Trial of the Crusader 25 is not the place to be figuring out how to use Healbot for the first time while staying out of the fire thank you very much. I've met people who don't even know of or how to use all of the spells and abilities their class and spec possesses! At 80! Is it so much to ask for a little play time in the minor leagues before stepping up to the majors? This is directed at a few people who actually got in my face about this who are probably not reading. End of rant. 
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August 27, 2009, 02:18 PM
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Re: Something I've started to notice.... and a message.
I expected this would happen. I mean people can get decked out in conq emblem gear without ever stepping foot in a raid instance, what do you expect really. When you have everyone and their moms able to access that gear you are bound to have some or a lot of screw ups. It used to be gear that helped most of us who are officers or recruiters for the guild determine a person's level of raid readiness. We just need to find out a new/different way to judge someone's performance with minimal risk to proven players. Or maybe just make a list of all the badge gear on vendors and just start checking off how many pieces the person has that is badge gear against epic pieces the person has that isnt badge gear. It is still a fairly new change considering we have relied on badges for quite a bit of time so its safe to assume it will take a bit of time for us to get a better system down. |
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August 27, 2009, 02:36 PM
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shdwboxn 80 Undead Warlock daggerspine US PvP Guild: Skeletor Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Something I've started to notice.... and a message.
I was talking to someone about this last night. While its nice to easily gear up my alt (got 3 x ilvl226 pieces the day 3.2 dropped from the badges I already had) the new system is actually hurting me as a 'serious raider' Basically, I dont have the time to run the H Daily; When I get home from work, I have about 30 minutes before raid time. Sometimes I am lucky and jump right into a full party and bang it out. Usually I cant get it done though. So I am way behind others in emblems, and Loot council is distributing the trophys to those who have the emblems to redeem them asap. lame /end QQ |
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August 27, 2009, 02:44 PM
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iamultimo 80 Orc Warlock Barthilas US PvP Guild: Serendipity Profile: Talent Spec: 0/56/15 |
Re: Something I've started to notice.... and a message.
All you gotta look for is t8.5 shoulders. I totally agree with you mate, and even posted a rant/blog about this just 12hours ago haha. If this was a facebook status i would so "like" it 
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August 27, 2009, 03:20 PM
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Re: Something I've started to notice.... and a message.
I don't require people have their Yogg 25 shoulders to raid, but I can see where their gear came from, and a healthy mix of Ulduar/TotC25 and even some of the better Naxx 25 and Maly gear is good in my book, at least it shows you've run some content. More than anything lately I'm checking achievements on the Armory now, it's the easiest way to tell what people have run. |
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August 27, 2009, 04:22 PM
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AballahSonDi 80 Human Warlock Alexstraza US PvE Guild: StormpikeShocktroopers Profile: Talent Spec: 56/0/15 |
Re: Something I've started to notice.... and a message.
I think the best way is to look at there achievements. I have seen this done for high quality "farm" pugs. I am sure at some point (if there isn't already), there will be a way to "query" someones achievements. |
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August 27, 2009, 06:21 PM
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Re: Something I've started to notice.... and a message.
Well this takes me back to my first days doing Heroics with my Resto Druid. I had only 1100 spellpower and I was doing it in some quest reward Blues. I joined a group for heroic UK. Though we didn't do too badly, the tank died once. he immediately complained to me that I was undergeared for heroics and that he shouldn't have died. At first I was, ( normal human reaction), mad. It's natural to feel a bit singled out. But then I realized he might have been right. So I did some dailies, saved my gold, gathered some materials like Siren's tear to make wispcloak, asked guildies for help. Before long, most of my gear was epic. My spellpower was nearly 2K. Healing was quite a bit easier. But then I started to learn more and more and I realized the main reason why a heroic falls apart begns and ends with bad dps. I quickly learned all of the patterns for NAxx. I saw how even better geared players died on heigan and didn't understand some of the other fights. It's a balance between gear and knowledge (and class imbalance). Give me a player that has average gear but knows what he's doing and he/she will bring more than even the best geared players. |
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August 27, 2009, 10:32 PM
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iamultimo 80 Orc Warlock Barthilas US PvP Guild: Serendipity Profile: Talent Spec: 0/56/15 |
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August 27, 2009, 10:44 PM
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No way. I've read a great deal on this topic and most would agree that when a raid/heroic fails it's about 70% the fault of dps. The dps has a great deal of responsibility. If the dps pours it on too early in the fight, it is much harder for the tank to hold threat. If they dps too poorly, then the healer will eventually run out of mana. The dps must take pressure off the tank and healer by dpsing effectively, monitoring their own threat, etc. |
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August 27, 2009, 11:05 PM
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Something some people don't seem to get through their heads is that healers can't heal the entire raid through everything. Standing in the fire, standing in runes, not stacking where you should be, whatever it is that you're doing that you shouldn't be is taking away a healer's primary responsibility, which is keeping the tanks up and healing dps through unavoidable raid damage. A good healer can accommodate and compensate for a few screw-ups, but they shouldn't be expected to compensate for everything. Threat is easy to manage unless you're an idiot and not paying attention or over-eager and early with AOE. |
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