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November 02, 2008, 08:02 AM
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Re: Demonic Pact
For leveling, this talent is too high in the tree to really be able to significantly affect anything. If you are leveling deep deep demo, then maybe you take it, but there are other talents in other trees that are better from a leveling perspective since you are often solo. -------------------------------------------------------------------- For 5 man instances, it could actually be quite good. The chance to end up with an Elemental Shaman in any given 5 man is low, so I think this along with the Felguard and Meta form that would almost certainly go with it would make 5 mans a breeze. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Demonic Pact has to be the worst talent in all of the Demo tree for raiding. I can even imagine a situation where the pitiful Imp Enslave Demon would be preferred (if you consistently summon a 15 minute Doomguard). Totem of Wrath is so much better than Demonic Pact its pathetic. At 70 ToW increase raid crit rating by 3% and raid spell power by 140 (280 at 80). Meaning you would have to have over 1400 spell power to get an increase over what ToW provides. I actually bet many Demo locks are actually close to this number or exceed it, but it's not just Demo locks. Do other locks have this number? Do other casters? Every caster has to beat 1400 for DP to beat ToW. And that's just the damage portion, you can never overcome the 3% crit ToW provides. DP is completely dependent on your pet. What if your pet dies? What if it has to be pulled away from the boss because it is about to die? What if the boss goes physical immune? No buff, no buff, no buff. DP lasts 12 seconds, if your pet doesn't crit at least every 12 seconds, for whatever reason, no buff. ToW lasts 5 minutes. Raid members don't even have to be close to ToW anymore. The totem provides a debuff, it merely has to be within 40 yards of the boss. ToW is an awesome talent, and getting an elemental shaman, (who would spec for ToW every single time) should be a priority for any raiding guild. DP is a poor poor substitute for it, and making a lock spec for it (thereby almost certainly hurting his personal dps) would be a shame. The ONLY situation where I would put talent points in this for raiding was if there was no elemental shaman in my guild at all. Even the possibility that Totem of Wrath would be used would be enough to make me skip this for raiding. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In Battlegrounds it would be skipped by any serious pvper for more reliable pvp talents like Demonic Resilance, Fel Synergy, even Master Conjurer is better. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Probably even less useful in arenas than in BGs for the reason that pets get killed alot in Arena and this talent is completely pet dependant. Again, any serious Demo pvper would be taking more relaible pvp talents over this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In conclusion, I think Demonic Pact is one of the worst talents in any warlock tree and maybe one of the worst talents in the entire game. The only place it has a realistic possibilty of shining is in 5 man pugs, which is...........pathetic. It's completely pet dependant, it requires your pet to crit every 12 seconds, it requires you to have a high crit rating so your pet can crit, it requires to you to spec into the also underwhelming Improved Demonic Tactics to try and get your pet's crit rate higher, and its a tier 10 talent, supposedly up there where all the good talents are. Just look how insanely good Everlasting Affliction is for Aff locks for a comparision. The best thing about this talent is that if speccing deep Demo I know I won't be putting any points here and thus the rest of my talent choices become easier. |
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November 10, 2008, 02:14 PM
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Re: Demonic Pact
I think the spell proc give 10% of your spell damage to the raid... it not raises the spell damage of each caster by 10%. So as long as you have 1400 spell damage the talent is gonna replace the totem for you and for the entire raid. As for level 80 i think it not gonna be hard to get more than 2400 spell damage hence replacing the totem, i saw some items with more than 100 spell damage in one piece. |
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December 01, 2008, 02:48 PM
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Demonic pact is bugged?
I like so so so ... much to complain all the time  My Corruption ticks with 499 damage normaly on mobs. My Corruption with Demonic pact aura should tick 499 plus 10% damage. However, it ticks with 499 damage again. Why? One possible explanation: It s not beneficial on me, only on party. Is this the case? Are we so much nerfed? On my other post Comparing Curse of Agony (Warlock) and SW:Pain (Priest) - The Warlocks Den Forums I showed my priest in blue with only 780 spell damage has its SW:pain ticking damage more than my full of epic warlock's last ticking of Curse of Agony . I m the only one who sees all the time problems in damage scaling for warlocks? And i have to note here, i dont see many of the older players to participate in such kind of concerns. Has every good player abandon his warlock? What's happening here? The very kernel of spell mechanics in warlocks seem to be nerfed a lot. Is anybody outhere?
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December 01, 2008, 02:56 PM
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Re: Demonic pact is bugged?
Did you cast corruption after gaining demonic pact? Spell power contribution to dots are calculate at the cast of the spell not at each tick. and btw, I don't see problem in scaling for warlock, do not forget for affliction locks Curse of Agony contribute to talent like soul siphon. You don't take into accoutn 2 thing mana cost 22% for SW:Pain and 10% for Curse of Agony. Time is a issue 30 sec for SW:pain and 24 sec Curse of agony. The spell contribution for SW:pain may be more than curse of agony because of his longer time effect (I'm not sure about this...) Last edited by Ciboire; December 01, 2008 at 03:03 PM.. |
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December 01, 2008, 02:58 PM
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Jesterlock 80 Gnome Warlock Quel'Thalas Euro PvE Guild: The Order of Azeroth Talent Spec: 3/15/53 |
Re: Demonic pact is bugged?
Not saying that i'm one of those good players you expected to respond to your thread, but you compared 1 major spell from a spriest with a curse from a lock that most of the times is left out for other curses, or cast as utility curse for destro locks for example. Your main concern (scaling) is valid tough. Spellpower doesn't scale very well for warlocks after a certain point. I currently run at about 2000 spellpower raid buffed, and i'm considering switching from 125 spellpower flask to something else, like haste elixir + draeneic wisdom(for Int/mana/crit and spirit) It's ok, it's just a matter of the way you're gearing up. Mages gain more from spellpower cose their spells have different coeficients. Currently my Fel Armor gives me more than 400 spellpower, which would be way overpowered if it scaled that way. (just think, what would it be if 35% extra spellpower just from fel armor would mean so much). As for your current questions, there are 2 possible answers: 1. you're running with a shammie, and his totem gives more spellpower than your demonic pact, therefore overriding the demonic patc buff. 2. you were comparing tick damage from an already cast corruption. Demonic pact buff doesn't affect spells already casted. |
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December 01, 2008, 03:52 PM
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Re: Demonic pact is bugged?
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But, this makes the talent simply not good. 4 talents around "felguard talent" depending heavily on "critical factor" and the best of them now seems to me pretty useless. In a way, it s only good for pet damage. (I underline i m speaking on PVP terms).
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December 01, 2008, 04:17 PM
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Warloco 80 Blood Elf Warlock Twilight's Hammer Euro PvP Guild: DeathWishers Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/40/31 |
Re: Demonic pact is bugged?
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Try this: Use a trinket, put up corruption and then try cast corruption again once the trinket is finished (but the dot is still up), it will very likely say "There is a more powerful spell on the target" or something to that effect. When you get a Demonic Pact proc, it is up to you to decide whether to "drop" your current dots (with however many seconds they have left) in favor of doing more damage per tick with your D-P buff.
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December 01, 2008, 04:46 PM
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Re: Demonic pact is bugged?
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2- It's up a lot of time in raids/heroics, fight are long so maybe only your first dot cast will not benefit form it 3- As a demon lock you will cast a lot of SB around 40% - 50% of you output damage will come from spec that will benefit from demonic pact. |
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December 01, 2008, 05:22 PM
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Majestrix 80 Human Warlock Kargath US PvE Guild: Keepers of the Old Ways Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 1/55/15 |
Re: Demonic pact is bugged?
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Sigh, no it doesn't make the talent not good. What are you casting once your dots are already up? In most cases its a shadow bolt, which will benefit from demonic pact. Not to mention the fact that it buffs other members of your party who also use direct damage spells. Just because the ability doesn't work the way you thought it did, does not make it useless. Maj
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