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October 30, 2008, 11:52 PM
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Demonic Pact
Welcome to the discussion thread on everything "Demonic Pact". Below you will find some useful information to give you a rough overview of this talent and how it comes into play, followed by comments, opinions and information from Warlocks who have first have experience with it. This thread is here to ask questions, seek advice and provide help and information on everything relating to Demonic Pact. Please remember to keep all replies on topic and polite.
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October 28, 2009, 02:15 PM
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Re: Demonic Pact
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It's like it is read only. |
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October 28, 2009, 02:17 PM
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Jenerena 80 Blood Elf Warlock Executus Euro PvP Guild: Deliverance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Demonic Pact
We sometimes take an elemental shaman in our 10 man raids but most of the time he is asked to heal, so it's rare for us to have an elemental shaman, or a shaman at all to be honest. Thus i have decided to try out demo for a while and on the occasions when we do have an elemental shaman i can spec to destro and pewpew. It would be interesting to see how it fares with having both in the raid though. |
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October 28, 2009, 02:53 PM
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Re: Demonic Pact
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October 28, 2009, 03:34 PM
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Ninetyproof 80 Undead Warlock Dalaran US PvE Guild: Legitimate Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/56/15 |
Re: Demonic Pact
I believe a lot of you who are saying ToW is amazing are over looking the fact that there 3% does not stack with a ret pallies 3% who has judgements talented. My lock raid buffed currently has 3900 spell power which means my raid gets 390. I have also read uptime is not 100% because of having to pull out etc. My felguard rarely dies due to raid heals and pet avoidance (Don't forget about that spell most warlocks think is useless Funnel Health). Keeping a Felguard is much more important than any other pet, as they do roughly 25% of a Demo Locks Damage. The only fights where there will not be 100% uptime is during Onxyia when your felguard can not hit her in phase 2. ToW 280 spell power vs. Demo Pact (Mine 390). Every raid has a ret pally, if they are not spec'd into improved judgements they should be. Bottom line Demo Locks are a must in any serious 25man raiding guild. There damage is still higher than a few specs. I usually rake in over 6k on single target non-multiplier fights. There AoE is amazing for fights such as Anub'arak 25 on heroic. Pop Meta and go to town hit Demo Empowerment as well so your fel guards cleave hits more often. In my opinion Destro is king on most fights. However situationally Demo and Aff can be better. GG 
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October 28, 2009, 03:43 PM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Demonic Pact
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I am not sure 7 minutes is the right fight length to time this for I think it is up to the person putting in the trinket spell power numbers to be able to do that much for themselves. Also, as long as we are doing this, we may want to have a cell added for any other proc (eg lightweave) which is up 25% of the time. 295*.25. Or it can be an exercise for the user to just put this under trinket proc (add it an existing one), but a catch all cell might help. Quote:
As an aside, I am not sure if you can add a comment to the cells next to some of them, but after posting the math, I realized some people might plug in values for stamina based on their DESTRO armory which may not have 3/3 demonic embrace (full demonology will have full 3/3 demonic embrace). So it's important that whoever puts their numbers in here knows that if they have 0/3 or 1/3 or 2/3 demonic embrace that they appropriately add the right % stamina to their existing armory stat. eg I have 1 point in DE in my destro spec, so I use <armory stam>/1.04*1.10 (the division taketh away to a baseline stam, the multiplier gives back the full 10% stam from 3/3 DE). Alternatively you could add a column that says "Current Demonic Embrace Points" and then if 1, change the stam to <armory stam>/1.04 * 1.10 and if "2" then /1.07*1.10 and if 3 then leave it alone and if 0, just multiply by 1.10 |
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October 28, 2009, 08:01 PM
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Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various |
Re: Demonic Pact
@Dyson: Done. I updated the sheet to be more 'viewer friendly', as well as include the number of points of Demonic Embrace your Armory Stamina is currently using. So if you have 2/3 DE right now in your Armory, enter your Armory Stam and then '2' in the Demonic Embrace slot. @Rooter: Yes, File -> Copy is the only way. I did not want someone to accidentally change / delete the formulas, and I'm not yet confident in the sheet protection functions. @Chinsaw: I did not include the theorycrafting for trinkets for many reasons. You will never get your DP buff to look like the theorycrafting numbers unless you stretch it over a raid lockout. This is a quick and dirty tool to show you the actual amount of the buff. Try putting your full trinket procs in for your max number, and no procs in for your min.
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November 12, 2009, 04:42 PM
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November 12, 2009, 05:09 PM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Demonic Pact
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The difference is going to be minor because only a percent of your stam goes to your demon and then 12% of that translates to spell power and then only 10% of that goes into the demonic pact buff. So I would suspect the spreadsheet is working as intended, no? |
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November 12, 2009, 05:15 PM
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Re: Demonic Pact
Demonic Pact: Removing Elemental Shaman from all raids since 2009. Seriously. |
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November 12, 2009, 05:31 PM
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Status: Dot, 'Lock and Drop it!
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Cormanthor 80 Human Warlock Gnomeregan US PvE Guild: Knights who say Ni Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: Various |
Re: Demonic Pact
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