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Improved Demonic Tactics
Requires 5 points in Demonic Tactics and 40 Points already spent in Demonology Talents
Published by Akasha
October 31, 2008
Improved Demonic Tactics

Welcome to the discussion thread on everything "Improved Demonic Tactics". Below you will find some useful information to give you a rough overview of this talent and how it comes into play, followed by comments, opinions and information from Warlocks who have first have experience with it. This thread is here to ask questions, seek advice and provide help and information on everything relating to Improved Demonic Tactics. Please remember to keep all replies on topic and polite.


Talent information:
Talent Tree: Demonology, Tier 9
Requires: 5 points in Demonic Tactics and 40 Points already spent in Demonology Talents
Increases your summoned demons critical strike chance

Ranks:
Rank 1: Increases your summoned demons critical strike chance equal to 10% of your critical strike chance.

Rank 2: Increases your summoned demons critical strike chance equal to 20% of your critical strike chance.

Rank 3: Increases your summoned demons critical strike chance equal to 30% of your critical strike chance.

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Old October 31, 2008, 04:30 AM   #1 (permalink)

Character Info
Dunwich
80 Undead Warlock
Drenden US PvE
Guild: Kitten Soup

Improved Demonic Tactics

Ok...what exactly does "Increases your summoned demons critical strike chance equal to 10/20/30% of your critical strike chance" mean? Does it increase the demon's critical strike chance a percentage of your percentage ie: you have 20% therefore it gains 6%? Or is it a percantage of your total critical strike ie: you gain 100 critical strike points it gains 30?
How much help is this with procing Demonic Pact? If I were planning on specing this direction would that make crit even more valuable? So many questions...so little time.
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Old October 31, 2008, 04:30 AM   #2 (permalink)

Improved Demonic Tactics

I guess its like this: Imagine you have 9% crit chance. Your pet gets an adicional 3% rate. Thats 30%

useless talent imo.
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Old October 31, 2008, 04:30 AM   #3 (permalink)

Improved Demonic Tactics

Technically it is an additional 2.7% chance but that is rather meh.

So since we normally have around 25% crit presently, after maxing this talent, our pet will have an additional 7.5% chance to crit. Thats uhh... well it could be a lot better IMO. Then again, we sort of have to first see how much crit we have by default at level 80.
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Old October 31, 2008, 04:30 AM   #4 (permalink)

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Cascade
80 Human Warlock
Argent Dawn US PvE
Guild: Silver Dawn
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 56/0/15
Improved Demonic Tactics

I've been playing a Fire / Demo build using an imp and the crit seems to really help. The demonic pact ability is up more than 50% of the time when soloing...however it seems to be based off of base +spellpower and adds about 100 or so at level 70. The spellstone buff is handy and saves the use of oils.

The pet health regen is pretty amazing and I can actually pull with an imp multiple mobs and then burn em down from a distance.

However, imho, a straight destro will still be the fastest for leveling. The health regen for fel armor is pretty amazing and in good gear, you still 2 and 3 shot single mobs with SB spam at 70. If you're in T6, don't expect too many upgrades til 80.

I really do like what I've seen in beta just from a PvE solo aspect. Much better than BC initially.
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Old October 31, 2008, 04:30 AM   #5 (permalink)

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Purebalance
80 Human Warlock
Muradin US PvE
Guild: Shadowraven
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/50/21
Improved Demonic Tactics

If you go felguard yes you want that talent. I have it and a high amount of crit on ptr and my felguard keeps the demonic pact buff up constantly due to his crit.
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Old October 31, 2008, 04:30 AM   #6 (permalink)

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Hina
80 Human Warlock
Asia PvE
Talent Spec: 0/13/58
Improved Demonic Tactics

How is the Felguard output, though? Is this talent taken mostly only for the buff proc, or is it also worth it even just for the increased output and threat from more crits?
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Old November 12, 2009, 07:57 PM   #7 (permalink)

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Lunaped
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Shattered Hand US PvP
Guild: Apophasis
Talent Spec: 0/13/58
3.2 Re: Improved Demonic Tactics

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Originally Posted by Dunwich View Post
Ok...what exactly does "Increases your summoned demons critical strike chance equal to 10/20/30% of your critical strike chance" mean? Does it increase the demon's critical strike chance a percentage of your percentage ie: you have 20% therefore it gains 6%? Or is it a percantage of your total critical strike ie: you gain 100 critical strike points it gains 30?
How much help is this with procing Demonic Pact? If I were planning on specing this direction would that make crit even more valuable? So many questions...so little time.


Has this talent changed much or is it still working this way?

If it's still working this way then wouldn't it be best to have a Mage focus magic you because your FG will then have better crit chance?
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Old November 13, 2009, 04:50 AM   #8 (permalink)

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Balzhar
80 Undead Warlock
Karazhan Euro PvP
Guild: undecided
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/50/21
3.2 Re: Improved Demonic Tactics

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Originally Posted by Parsnup View Post
If it's still working this way then wouldn't it be best to have a Mage focus magic you because your FG will then have better crit chance?
Always
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Old November 13, 2009, 10:19 AM   #9 (permalink)

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Lunaped
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Shattered Hand US PvP
Guild: Apophasis
Talent Spec: 0/13/58
3.2 Re: Improved Demonic Tactics

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Originally Posted by wavecycle View Post
Always

So I'm assuming if your crit is 40%, your FG will take 30% of that for a total of 12%?


I don't get why Mages are so greedy when it comes to FM (especially when you have two of them).
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