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Old November 03, 2008, 07:36 PM  

Backdraft

Welcome to the discussion thread on everything "Backdraft". Below you will find some useful information to give you a rough overview of this talent and how it comes into play, followed by comments, opinions and information from Warlocks who have first have experience with it. This thread is here to ask questions, seek advice and provide help and information on everything relating to Backdraft. Please remember to keep all replies on topic and polite.


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Old January 28, 2009, 12:17 PM   #20 (permalink)

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Re: a question to all lock about Backdraft e Gcd

i believe they stated the lowest the GCD can go with haste is 1 sec. cannot go lower.
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Old January 28, 2009, 12:30 PM   #21 (permalink)

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Re: a question to all lock about Backdraft e Gcd

They implemented the GCD for several reasons. They allowed it to go lower from 1.5 to 1.0 seconds, but 1.0 second is the hardcap now no matter how much haste you throw at it.

Already with Eradication, Embrace of the Spider proc and Heroism I jump to 0.9 sec casttime with UA. But the global cooldown prevents spells till 1.0 sec.
In effect this means that chaining spells is actually worse because the next spell cast within the latency of the UA gets the "cannot cast yet" error and cancels the cast. If you didn't expect this you'll lose several tenths of a second because you expected the second cast to start.

You will experience the same with your Immolates so be prepared to mash the button till it does start casting.
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Old April 09, 2009, 01:30 PM   #22 (permalink)

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Archimonde US PvP
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Just posted re: Backdraft on the official forums

Well, coming back to the game, I wanted to play around with destruction and try out some strategies I had been thinking about. All of my ideas were blown out of the water when I realized Backdraft didn't affect Reign of Fire or Hellfire.

So, I just posted on the official forums to ask that an evaulation be done on Backdraft for these two spells.

One is in the warlock forums:
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Backdraft should affect channeled spells
And another in Suggestions:
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Backdraft should affect channeled spells

Here is my post:
The last post I saw on this issue was a couple of months old. There have been changes to destruction in the last patch or two that have tried to revive the destro tree, specifically affecting backdraft directly and indirectly.

I believe Backdraft should include Reign of Fire (RoF) and Hellfire (HF) as affected spells. The current semantics of the tooltip can lead one to believe that all destruction spells are included; talents such as Soul Leech specifically name the spells. (I pick Soul Leech as the best example because it only leaves out the two previously mentioned spells as well as Shadowfury, showing that Blizzard is usually very descriptive.) The same language is used in the Eradication tooptip, except I have seen it reported that it DOES affect channeled spells (even if that isn't he case, my stance doesn't change). For the reason of continuity, I think Backdraft should include RoF and HF.

Backdraft has recently changed to decrease the GCD, making it operate more like a haste effect, thus supporting the reason of continuity.

I do not see a change like this changing the balance of the game, and would not adversely affect the classes balance of power. If there is a reason for Backlash excluding RoF and HF, I would greatly appreciate an explanation and move on my merry way. I assume in-house testing has been done, or the programmers just decided to exclude these spells for whatever reason they had.

At the very least, I kindly ask that we will be allowed to test it on this or the the next PTR. At that point, you can make a proper evaluation and assessment.

Getting exposure to threads in there isn't easy, so any comments you can add on the forums would help.

Please let me know your comments on this idea. Thanks.

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Old April 09, 2009, 02:03 PM   #23 (permalink)

Re: Just posted re: Backdraft on the official forums

Backlash? You mean backdraft? (backlash in your post's text is typoo?)
I don't know why, maybe if backdraft would affect AoE, destro would be 30% stronger with RoF, super OP in AoE, only devs know.

And hellfire has many uses but not as primary damage spell.

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Old April 09, 2009, 02:58 PM   #24 (permalink)

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Re: Just posted re: Backdraft on the official forums

Yeah, backdraft. Editted posts, thanks.

True, the main purpose is for RoF...I figured it is only logical that Hellfire should benefit as well.

I believe it at least warrants some testing. It might be OP; my logic tells me that AoE DoT ticking every .7 secs instead of every 1 secs is not going to shift the balance of the game. I think testing would better support a conclusion.
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Old April 09, 2009, 03:03 PM   #25 (permalink)

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Khadgar US PvE
Guild: Can Heal Stupid
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Re: Just posted re: Backdraft on the official forums

If Drain Soul and Drain Life received benefit from Backdraft, would Drain Soul be an effective execute for Destruction? Would Drain life not suck so bad for Destro PVP?
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Old April 09, 2009, 03:30 PM   #26 (permalink)

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Re: Just posted re: Backdraft on the official forums

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If Drain Soul and Drain Life received benefit from Backdraft, would Drain Soul be an effective execute for Destruction? Would Drain life not suck so bad for Destro PVP?
I dont think DSE would be any better for destruction because you aren't taking the affliction talents that really pump up the damage done. As it is now being deep destruction, I get 5000 to 5800 ticks from drain soul at execute time and that is in a 25 man raid. That isn't anywhere near the numbers you'd get if you were taking the affliction path to DSE.

As for Drain life.. I think you'd likely want to have some of the affliction talents that help out there as well.
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Old April 09, 2009, 03:46 PM   #27 (permalink)

Re: Just posted re: Backdraft on the official forums

I don't know how balanced AoEs currently are and how will be in 3.1.
I feel RoF as one of the stronger AoEs.
So more probably we will see a change in the tooltip than making RoF 30% better. (same damage within significantly less time)

If it would be available for PTR at least for one day, I can see big QQ walls of text that would appear if this change will not be implemented.(nothing good from testing attractive and unnecessary things) My opinion is, change of this type can be tested very well by devs without need for PTR testing.

If RoF is behind other AoEs (I don't feel so), that's another story. (but demo uses RoF too, so in case of buff demo should benefit from changes too)

Sometimes is better to have the right mechanic with wrong tooltip, than the right tooltip with wrong mechanic.

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Old April 09, 2009, 04:30 PM   #28 (permalink)

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Re: Just posted re: Backdraft on the official forums

RoF was really only strong when upping fire's damage such as with Molten Core.
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