Felguard: How to use, what to wear

[Lyshan]

I'm wondering how the +160 resist all fairs against banish? I know I have issues banishing mobs in MC when they are like 61/62 even with a really good + to hit. I keep seeing folks note that they will just Banish the 41 points a warlock spent away and because I play Alliance where our numbers are lower I am a little afraid that I will see the Felguard exactly targeted like this right from the get go.

Im still on the fence about the 46/5/0 vs 5/46/0 ... so anyone have any insight in resist chances?

[Kerowyn]

I know nothing of the nemisis bonus, but I have a feeling that once the dust settles people aren't going to be all that concered with felguards PvP. Its just another pet. It will get banished the same amount as the others. Of couse while its new people are going to freak out and try all they can to subvert them, but in the end people are going to forget about them.

Besides, I don't see myself using it heavily PvP, I'd have to lose my succy for that. For me its a PvE toy, a VW that holds agro better and does a bit more damage. At 70 I'm planning on a destruction build to PvP with, either that or 0/30/21 for ruin. The felguard will have to be pretty impresive PvP for me to give up going heavy destruction, or even affliction for imp. howl

[boscolio]

pet resists definitely help reduce the chance it will be banished. banish is considered a shadow spell. pull out a felhunter if you are specced MD, get a shadow resistance buff and put on 5/8 Nem. duel another warlock and ask them to banish your pet. just do that for a while and you will see a very heavy resist rate, 75%+.

edit: managed to access the WoW site. vs most level 50 spells 150 resist gives you a 45% resist rate, 200 resistance gives you a 60% resist rate. adjust level and having 190 resistance would still give the FG about a 50% chance to resist banish. that's pretty substantial in a 1v1 fight. enough time for an intercept, fear, CoT or deathcoil for sure. also think about your pet resisting a frost nova, cone of cold, dragon's breath or slow from a mage.

[Lyshan]

Any idea how that scales against Banish.

Basically a Felhunter with MD and Nemesis is at 310 Resist All.

A Felguard will only be at 160 if the intial screenshots of him I saw were accurate since he starts with 0 resistances.

So if we are saying 75ish resists on the Hunter then the Guard is approximately 35%?

Still a little too easy to deal with im thinking.

Maybe I will need to spec it to try it.

[boscolio]

felguard would also get 30 resistance from MD at level 60. i can't really access the WoW site or Wowwiki to get numbers on what a rough resist rate would be at 190 resistance.

[the | n00b]

The official "Resistances" page states that at 200 Resistance you have about 60% to resist a spell like Banish. Other players will also have -Resist/+Hit gear though, especially the PvP folks, so you'll might have to account for that, too.

[Zargon]

Don't forget that pets take a percentage of the master's total resists so if you have high SR, your felguard will have some nice SR. Couple that with the felguard's MD buff and 5 piece felheart or nemesis bonus, you might find that he won't be so easily banishable even with +hit or -resist gear. I think the ones who say that felguard are waste might get a rude awakening cause it's not like banish works all the time and you might get a nasty streak of resists trying to banish a felguard. It won't be as hard to banish the felguard like it would for a felhunter but it will certainly be way harder to banish the felguard than an imp, void, succubus or infernal for sure.

[Vaeldavenie]

Normally I am a Dark Pact kind of Lock, but I figured after The Burning Crusade to try the various trees, and now it was Demo and Felguards turn.

So here I come, thinking he is all that, having been slapped with up to 1k hits by felguards in Pvp.

Now my Felguard....he just sucks (max hit up to 500ish). Well or maybe I should rephrase that..I suck. It is either me, my gear or the Felguard does suck. But I also am not the one who gives up easily, so instead of giving up I rather learn some more.

So how does one use the Felguard ? And what do you wear since our gear affects his stats and therefore likely his usefulness.

As far as the useage I did gather from various threads he is a fine offtank, can also be used in raids ( hola, thats cool, but mine dies like a fly, so gear issues again? My gear with demo talents 800dam, 6.5k hp and 6.5k mana -still in the start of The Burning Crusade). Though I could see that on single target, with external heals, the felguard with additional destro or affl could be quite a heap of dps.

Or did I simply expect a bit too much from him, having been used to a normal Void and thinking that the void is handling damage much better then a Felguard, though given felguard does a bit more damage and holds aggro nicely, though I think any decent Succu could kick my Felguards butt.

My experiences with felguard so far is that he needs to have me heal him or me having to help kill what ever he is on quickly, so he wont take excessive damage. And that with 2-3 adds, you just give up and die in a nice corner.

So, Locks with felguard experience. How do you make him work? What do you wear to make him and you work nicely? What are your tips and tricks?

Thanks, and sorry for yet another felguard thread.

[Ractome]

Well, even though im not specced Felguard atm, I really like it...

1) it can offtank pretty good
2) intercept = god lol
3) 500ish hitting? Ok think about the thing your trying to kill, 500 damage or so every few seconds, thats pretty much like a DoT? and dot that doesnt die!

But also, yes he does need help killing stuff quickly, he can not solo elites or anything, my suggestion is to stick with him for a while until you find out all the neat tricks, and then if you still don't like then respec

[Cabale]

First, build a talent tree with these key points :


5/5 stamina

3/3 fel intellect
2/2 Imp Healthtunnel -> really important

3/3 fel stamina
3/3 imp aegis
and all the points needed for having a 0,5sec summon

MD 5/5, Soullink

Mana feed : 2/3 (more confortable than 1 point)
DK : 3/3
Demoniac resiliance : at least 2/3

DT as a filler,
Felguard of course.

Then stuff yourself with loads of HP and +damage.
Don't forget that 60% of your +damage (shadow or fire, the highest of the two is taken in account) becomes his AP. (14 pa = 1dps) Under Frenzy, it's up to 50% more so having a buffed felguard around 1500-1800 AP is not uncommon. (mine is basically around 700+, 1000+ under frenzy, add battleshout, hunter mark, totems etc and it's getting crazy)

If you want him to burst, blow your trinket ! It ups also his AP, so his dps.
Always ask to be both fully buff : druid buff, mage intellect, priest stam, shamy totem, pally benediction etc !

You should see crazy dps (for a pet) in pve-group environnement. Always manually manage intercept, and cleave. (and taunt sometimes)

Cleave is a nice burst in pvp, combined with shadowburn for exemple on a healer getting his last chance.

in pve :
Felguard can offtank an elite with a bit of care. (for example the 2H-axe warrior in the shadow labyrinth) Forget the offtanking in heroic mode but he can do very "descent" (read : gorgeous) dps.
Felguard keep agro amazingly well if you let him some time.
Felguard is very nice against bosses with aoe attacks and he's a caster-killer in pvp.
Felguard intercept is ...lol
I love my felguard.

with imp healthtunnel he won't die easily in pve. (well he won't die until they are many and you alone, or against a big nasty elite)
with a 0/42/18, with threat reduction + his aggro ability, you blast almost anything down without him loosing aggro.