Why am i having such Dificulties with the FG?? HELP!

[lanman1212]

Originally Posted by Giest

um...do the quests man. you'll be geared really well in a couple hours. you get a staff, wand, hat and i think a robe in the first 10 quests i think. and there is a nice staff from ramparts too. don't buy any gear from the AH in outland with the exception of netherweave gear. and only get the normal netherweave, the imbued netherweave gear is crap. you will also get a robe from a quest in hellfire that will last you till 68. you can also do a quest quite early in hellfire that gives you a 80 damage staff. it's called totemic staff i think.

Thanks, going to start questing again in OL and try the FG out and knock some of these quests out, thanks to everyone for there help!

[Solarus]

I can't see any major problems with your build.

I think pretty much the only advice that can be given is: keep on trying and learning. You will learn the most if you keep on trying and experimenting. I don't think you're doing anything "wrong" you just need a little bit more practice.

[Mehrunezzz]

tbh do yourself a favor and take all of his abilities off autocast. you don't always need to taunt to hold aggro (esp when your +damage goes up and the mob is dying quick) and you don't always need to cleave and intercept on mobs. i found that if i pick and choose when to use his abilities, his mana never became an issue so i specced out of mana feed. demonic tactics is a must tho imo, because i like to shadowbolt. but he really should not be dying on a single mob unless it is orange or red to you.

intercept (or attack) > cleave > immolate > corruption > agony > sb > cleave > drain life > dead.

you should be at about 75% mana and he should be no less than 75% health.

[Kneehighdps]

Are you picking int over stamina by chance ? Cause I think I had like double your hp after having cruised around in OL since level 58 with demo spec.
The extra hp will help your FG too

[deirae]

Originally Posted by Kneehighdps

Are you picking int over stamina by chance ? Cause I think I had like double your hp after having cruised around in OL since level 58 with demo spec.
The extra hp will help your FG too

Yeah, it seems to be a common mistake by locks, to focus on INT instead of STAM

STAm is your bread and butter really. It keeps you, and your minion, alive as it add HP to you, which can be converted to mana for you or health for your minion.

[Thralock]

I also had Affliction to FG adjustment issues at 58 when first arriving in the Outlands. I hated the FG at first, seemed as weak as Succubus. Just remember that when first arriving in the Outlands, my gear was simply crap in comparison to Outland standards. As my old equipment refreshed from completing Outlands quests, levelling became easier, FG hit harder and survived longer.

I noted a number of things for maintaining uptime:
1) Demonic Resilience for survivability of the FG (particularly against elites). 15% less damage effectively means 15% more FG uptime.
2) Adjust spell sequence depending on the mob!
For a melee mob: FG, Curse of Agony, Corr, Immolate, Life Tap, Drain Life, Drain Soul (for mana return).
For a caster mob (note 1): Open with SB, CoT, Intercept, SB, SB, Drain Soul. With luck the mob is dead before casting a single lightning/shadow bolt. (Casters don't get pushback and FG armour won't help against spells.)
3) Keep Intercept on manual… always (I leave others on auto).
4) Try to keep the FG buff Demonic Frenzy going if mobs are within close proximity.
5) You will need to Health Funnel after every 4 or 5 mobs. I can normally do this whilst FG is fighting.
6) But don’t be a perfectionist; FG can start another fight at 50% health – in fact he is just another tool and you can summon another one.
7) Although you can, don’t just sit back and let the FG do everything… build your threat level just under FG (Get OMEN addon) and pile on the dots and drain. For a single mob, it usually starts to head my way just as I Drain Soul (rank 1).
8) Use Life Drain as uptime (income health) resource. It fuels the FG health AND mana via LT (and mana feed talent). I am hoping to be able to do some rudimentary drain tanking with the talent spec I’m aiming at.
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For multi mobs and elites it is usually abit more tricky:
For 2 mobs (without fear): focus fire caster as per above, after Intercept, switch FG to other mob so that you don’t get aggro. SB down first mob, then dot up other mob. If 2 mobs are melee, then FG has to tank both and I don’t use Immolate in this case. Fear is great when safe, but it usually isn’t safe.
For 3 mobs: focus fire caster, Intercept 2nd mob, switch FG 3rd, nuke down each caster hard and fast, dot up melee and switch FG between 2 and 3. Use fear if safe. Health Funnel maybe required.
Elites are tough without fear. Reason is trying to remain under threat whilst keeping FG alive and doing any damage – usually only use CoD & maybe Corr.



Appreciate any tips for elites and balancing threat, damage and keeping FG alive.

[Stanis]

With the FG you dont need to wait 8 seconds before casting. if your pet have mana, the intercept/cleave at the begin is enough to hold aggro.
I used to click Immolate and while it cast, send the pet, then corruption and immolate/SB/wand. Kinda looking for what kill the mob about when the the dots expire.

[Xancha]

Ok, ive read all the felguard posts that are similar to this, and im not sure whats going on here... I just respec'd demo after being full affliction from 1-55. And i get my *** handed to me now. It seems as if this spec lacks any sort of survivalability...with affliction, i was a superhero, i could have 4 mobs on me and between fears, siphon life, and imp drain life, nothing could kill me, i could insta dot everything and more or less never died. in fact, outside of instances i dont think i died grinding once from like 40-55...now if i get a mob on me with FG spec, i have to run around like an idiot and wait for the FG to do somethin about it. My FG might be broken, he seems to have the aggro rate of an 8 year old playing an ebay'd warrior... Heres how i do things now 1. Send in FG, cleave and anguish on autocast, intercept isnt. 2. Curse of Agony, corruption 3. at this point, ANY damage directly after Curse of Agony/corruption land will pull aggro, so i have to wait till the mobs health is at 50%(yes, i have omen, and monitor my TPS and total threat), at that point a shadowbolt may or may not pull aggro. it works ok if i keep it to one mob at a time, the problem is, when things go wrong, i get owned. how do you handle 3 mobs at a time when you can only have 2 dots(one of which blows until its been on the mob a decent amount of time) in order for the FG to have any chance of keeping aggro, and then whatever mob he is attacking will just aggro you, in which case your only option is fear, as it will break drain life due to not having the talent for it. so if you cant fear due to aggro'ing another mob, you just pray it dies to dots before it kills you. Long story short, the spec works ok it seems one on one, altho i still had better results with affliction, but when things go wrong...maybe i just dont know what to do i dont know...getting really frustrated but i have heard FG is the way to go for 60-70 in outlands, so i figured id get an early jump. Any help?

[Norber]

Well ,first of felguard lvling requires a different playstyle than affliction ( at a constant 50G respec cost here ) every time with out a doubt I hate my new build for the first day or 2. Even if its one I've done in the past. I lvled from 60 - 70 as mostly felguard. So ill tell you what helped me. Leave charge, anguish and cleave on ( I'm not on a PvP realm else I'd leave charge off ) also at level 56 I'd do a build that has minimum of 44 in demo.

Even at 70 I almost never fight more than 1 thing at a time ( not that you can't its just less efficent ). My usual rotation is charge FG in, throw up corruption, throw up aggony, and drain life ( Shadow bolts draw aggro really quick ). For tough pulls of single mobs near pats or on mobs that can fear, pull with Curse of shadows run back a bit and charge FG in dot and drain as normal. ( also make sure he is trained in that stacking self buff .... I cant remember the name right now )

Where the felguard really shines is soloing elites. With a little health funnel action he can take quite a beating. while your dots slowly work there magic.

All in all this is a low downtime spec, with a trade off of multi mob pulls for the ability to solo elites that would kill affliction locks.

Also he is a ton of fun in raids. But there are a ton of articles on that here. hope this helps

[Umbralpuff]

I'm not sure when FGs get cleave, but I tend to rely on that for my FG's aggro management quite a bit. My tactics are probably centered around having level 70 talents and spells, but maybe it'll give you ideas? Here's what I do:

1 Mob:

• Send FG in with anguish on auto
• CoS then Corr
• SB
• Tap
• Drain Life..drain soul when almost dead as needed

I will sometimes get aggro with that rotation, esp if SB crits and suddenly my Corr and drain life are doing more damage thanks to ISB.

2 Mobs: This changes slightly depending on whether or not npc casters are involved, but...it's basically the same as the 1 Mob Fight. Just put a Curse of Agony on the second Mob. If cleave isn't hitting both you may have to do some target switching or repositioning to get that going. You may also need to health funnel the FG. I have to health funnel on a regular basis if I'm fighting multiples, just to make sure.

3 Mobs: I don't go out of my way to look for thses situations but they do happen. Same as 2 Mob fight but fear the third. If you can't fear the third because it'll run into friends and wipe you, then focus fire between a bit to burn down the first mob fast and get you back to a more comfortable 2 Mob scenario.