Felguard DPS not as expected

[sparks]

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Initial findings with my pets and damage.
this was in un' goro (spelling ?)

level 49 full affliction spec.
vw had 2800 hp
damage avg on 10 raptors 121.9 dps


level 50 demo spec.
fel has 2440 hp
damage avg on 10 raptors 141.5 dps
(I know since I don't have quick dots and things ....later this should go up
from me as well as him)

the main problem is his hitpoints and my down time because of it.
VW after fighting 4-6 raptors is around 1500-1600 quick consume and we are back at it.
Fel after fighting 1 raptor is 1700-1800 so its either bandage him or funnel.
Its a lot slower with him than my dots and a VW.

IS this the way it is with a Fel...he can't take damage at all....looks more like a high dollar succy....LOL but he holds agro like a VW

can I change or fix this and get going?
Am I looking at this wrong?

thanks for any help or advice...this just doesn't seem right at all.

[darkblayde]

in my experience, he gets better once he starts getting abilities...cleave, intercept, avoidance, and his buff. however, it seems to me that he is still not worth the 41 points i put into demo for him...i was one of the first locks on my server to reroll demo at the release of 2.0.1 and at the time he was an unstoppable force. he resists like a fiend, dodges AoEs, and has a 3-second CC...however, as time went on it became more apparent that, while the felguard has his uses, it wasnt my thing. i am probably going to reroll affliction at the release of x-pack and see if things get any better. however, please keep in mind this is a personal choice. if an aggro machine with dps is your thing, go for it! for me, i'd prefer to keep the VW with his AoE aggro, and just dot up anything that moves.

[Octagon]

This is like complaining about the Succubus at level 20.

When you get a Felguard at level 50, he isn't going to do anything amazing.

Like darkblayde said, Intercept and Cleave are where it's at. His Cleave will keep multiple enemies on him without even needing to cast Anguish. If one of the enemies decides to come after you, the Felguard's intercept will nail it, and all the guys will be on him stillm you just scoot back. Unlike when a mob resists torment or suffering and the voidwalker can't catch up with the mob to keep it off of you.

Demonic Frenzy also increases his attack power as the attack rages on, so don't think of his dps like the other pets. Demonic Frenzy increases his attack power by 5% and stacks 10 times.

Use your VW to tank with for now, I know it's frustrating, but at least wait until you get his rank 1 abilities.

When you go to Outland, and you're questing, you'll definately want him over the VW. There will be so many people running around ganking that you need something with both PvP and PvE utility. People ignore pets and go straight for you, the Felguard makes them regret that. :-)

[xdiesp]

sparks: check this out,I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago: http://wowmb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10704 And that was even before they fixed Demonic Resilience,which wasn't working at the time,albeit the Felguard did more damage back then. To sum it shortly,if you respec to 0/41/0 as soon as you can,you end up with a minion without its basic abilities: Cleave,an extra attack every 6 secs,available at 50; Intercept,a stun attack,available at 52; Demonic Frenzy,builds up attack power,available at 56. Not only,you also trade all your versatility (mana efficiency,DPS output) with affliction and destruction talents and become reliant on a flawed minion: all you can do is Improved Healthfunneling it,not really fun at all. Also,thanks to Blizzard's perspective that the average warlock is level 60 and wears a Tier 3 set,the Felguard is only supposed to become "very good" from "decent" when you are heavily loaded with +spell\shadow damage gear. So,get back to your trusty VW and see you at level 56.

[Octagon]

xdiesp, I have to disagree about a reduction in my DPS compared to affliction (especially now that dots can be resisted per tick and their +spell damage is reduced). Because of the demonology talents, I have a damage increase. I put my extra talents all into destruction because of the damage increase. I chew up affliction warlocks with Demonology and the Felguard. His magic resists (the only other pet with built in resistance is the Felhunter) help him resist banish and fear better than your imp, succubus, or voidwalker. Plus you also share that resistance with him. He's very well rounded.

The part I like about Demonology spec is that I don't die as often. Which, to me, is more important than mana conservation. I hate running back to my body from the other side of a zone.

[xdiesp]

> (mana efficiency,DPS output)
> with affliction and destruction talents

Octagon: sorry,what I meant was: affliction talents diverted from the FG would give him more mana efficiency,while the destruction ones would give him better DPS output. I agree that the damage output increases with the Felguard,however I actually find myself lacking in survivability since I have lost the ability to shield myself with the VW Sacrifice (in solo). The set of things you can do when you mistakenly get aggro is always the same,but the 2 sacrifice bubbles' easy combo saves you from a lot of pain

[Dyce]

The first time you use him it isn't gonna get good as you're not used to how to use him . Prolly after awhile you'll get used to it .

I wouldn't leave Intercept on until i have 2/3 or 3/3 Mana Feed as it way consumes too much mana on the downtime basis .

Felguard = You . Meaning if you're strong , he'll get stronger too . You shld get more +damage gear on Demo as you're stronger den Affliction build in terms of stam and staffs plus a lil buff on your +spell damage .

If anyone were to respecced Demo i really gotta say 56 . At 56 you'll get Demonic Frenzy for Felguard . (Which increase attack for FG up to 50% for FG) and you'll get instant corruption (Talent) .

[xdiesp]

> Felguard = You

true,even too much: sometimes I feel that,among the 2,I am the disposable pet!

[Akasha]

Last night me and my parter decided to hit up some Silithus bugs to clear out out quest logs before BC. We had done a couple of those Field Duty bugs and of course had Hive'Regal (the hardest of all three) as our combat assignments. We had actually come here once before but instead of my Warlock I had brought my Hunter as Mercury always seemed to tank well. We found out pretty quick last time that he didn't, and Fear kiting doesn't go so well for a Hunter that can't damage when out of range.

So last night we decided to try out Shaaroon with the tanking because I had been off tanking in Strat and Scholo the day before and he was fine. Hive'Regal bugs vary between level 59 through to 61 and are all elite... verdict? Shaaroon did a marvelous job!

At level 60 he has around 4.5k hitpoints for me, and with the new changes to his armor etc, sits around 46% physical damage reduction. He pretty much tanked anything I threw at him, and held aggro despite two Warlocks full DoT's (including all my partners Affliction DoTs).

As mentioned above, you are not going to see this at level 49 because the Felguard doesn't have all of his abilities yet, and my gear is so much better than at 49 etc. In regards to making me feel like the disposable pet, I decided to split up my pets damage to mine last night on the damage meter as we were both curious at what exactly he did. Although I expected to see him sitting at around 50% of my damage, he was only at 20% between all four of us. I think in the end I was sitting around 45 is percent, my parter sitting the low 30s, Shaaroon at 20 something and my partners Succubus at 8. (Obviously not exact numbers)

[Krabat]

Originally Posted by Dyce

The first time you use him it isn't gonna get good as you're not used to how to use him . Prolly after awhile you'll get used to it .

I wouldn't leave Intercept on until i have 2/3 or 3/3 Mana Feed as it way consumes too much mana on the downtime basis .

Felguard = You . Meaning if you're strong , he'll get stronger too . You shld get more +damage gear on Demo as you're stronger den Affliction build in terms of stam and staffs plus a lil buff on your +spell damage .

If anyone were to respecced Demo i really gotta say 56 . At 56 you'll get Demonic Frenzy for Felguard . (Which increase attack for FG up to 50% for FG) and you'll get instant corruption (Talent) .

Use Cleave I say, just get rid of Taunt. He builds up aggro quick enough without it.