WEll, we HAD a true tank...

[TiaMaster]

The VW, as long as you specced it well and even maybe took The VW glyph, was a true tank that i could actually use before 3.0.3, bug or not - it would do its job.

But now, one of my staples of threat generation (since he still couldn't hold threat with just Torment/Suffering), Demonic Empowerment, is gone. With this talent I could get through a fight with any number of mobs and not take threat, making it similar to Affliction when it comes to wiping out several mobs at a time - albeit in a different manner

"Demonic Empowerment: This talent no longer gives excessive threat to the Warlock's Voidwalker."

Exactly why was this completely taken way? Was there no other way to react to what some people thought was OP? Sometimes I just seriously don't understand Blizz reasoning. Spirit for Life Tap?
It would at least ease a little pain if they gave SOME type of explanation on changes like these that seemed not even close to being OP.

[Vazhkatsi]

probably because of people like me, i used my Voidy to tank a faction leader and all his guards because he put out 260k threat in those 15 secs. course that was in a full raid but still.

[Omnizion]

they needed to tone it down... not take it away.... I dont understand Blizz either. They ought to just take away Starfall/Typhoon for moonkins.

[Redmage]

From the wording, they will be taking the "excessive" threat away...

so you still get a buff to your VW tanking ability +20% threat generating, just not the apparent +2,000% seen and used to tank faction leaders and all his guards.... :-)

[Omnizion]

Originally Posted by Redmage

From the wording, they will be taking the "excessive" threat away...

so you still get a buff to your VW tanking ability +20% threat generating, just not the apparent +2,000% seen and used to tank faction leaders and all his guards.... :-)

That sounds right. There have been other bugs in the past that did crazy things and Blizz used the same wording. I hope you're right Redmage.

[SINisterW]

re-read it as: Fix from OPland

[Sasztam]

Sounds right to me. They didn't say that the talent would no longer grant extra threat, just not extreme threat. Of course, that depends on your definition of extreme. This update seems needlessly ambiguous. They couldn't have just said, 'Demonic Empowerment will now grant the correct 20% threat bonus,'? Oh well, I saw this coming and used the brief taste of a true tank to solo all my group quests.

[Vaevicitis]

I hope it is just a bug fix and not a removal of the ability's threat generation.

For one, its not a PvP or Raiding imbalance, so the only thing that is really at stake is soloing balance.

Feral druids, prot pallys, and hunters have always been able to solo mobs which other classes could not. I dont think that a very specific talent spec for warlocks should be deemed "OP" just because we can do the same thing.

Also, i would much rather have a smaller nerf to the voidwalker's base aggro and still have an active aggro boost, it makes things more interesting

again, praying for a bug fix only and not a re-tuning of the talent...

[efg]

if we had a tank, blizzard would need to buff the living shit out of us. like all the other hybrids, just to be fair. as if blizz knows what fair means.

[TiaMaster]

I watch my wife solo with her Gorilladin tank where she literally cant take threat from the group of 12 level 70 BE mobs at BT steps. I used to be able to do this.

I hope it is as Redmage and others stated and we will still be able to use his extra threat on his Suffering. I didnt mean to go all trigger happy and just assume that they were taking all extra threat-gen away, but I guess I am getting a little paranoid that all the 'ongoing balancing issues' still mean more nerfs.