Sacrificing or keep Imp out for Sta?

[cealis]

I hit 60 last week and decided to change the 30/0/21 build for 0/30/21 build but now I come at the problem that a lot of warriors who are tanking want the imp for sta and don't let me sac a void or succy.

What are the general rules in raids for this.
If you are in group of MT you keep imp out for sta and in the other groups you can just sac a void for faster regen?

I'm curious how endgame is going to be for me.

[mortdread]

if you're in the main tanking group, you have better to keep your imp
it doesn't change in any other group

[Shalymar]

Haha general rule in raids for me.... I play the warlock how I see fit. I never let another class dictate to me how I should play. I almost never have my imp out no matter what group I happen to be put in. I am also spec’ed MD/Ruin, so I am there to do DPS. I either have my succubus out for the 10% damage, Felhunter out for his +60 resist buff, or I sack/rez my succubus for the 25% damage bonus.

[Waridian]

Yep, sadly not enough warriors have levelled an alt warlock to understand the benefits of have a warlock sac his or her demon. What you can do, is explain to your priest or paladin or druid in group about sacrificing your demon and having them rez it (must be timed right though, will probably require a coupld of tries unless it's a druid) and what it offers you as well as the group, in the case of your Imp, +15% damage to Fire spells is pretty sweet to have for the group as a whole... and if they rez your imp, you keep the Stamina buff... so for instances where you will be doing lots of Area of Effect (hence Hellfire or Rain of Fire) the xtra 15% is pretty sweet. So either explain the benefits to them to do this, OR keep the stamina buff for Boss fights, and on trash mobs sac a demon of your choice and explain to them the befefit of that. It's all very circumstantial, depending on the situation you will want to do different things...

My advice to you is this, if you're running instances with guild mates, then you should have no problems coordinating a sac / rez of demon of your choice, and on Boss fights pull out the imp for stamina buff, but sac / rez him first... if you're running instances with a PuG (Pick-Up Group) then don't waste your time arguing the matter with them, they will not understand anyways... just pull out the imp :roll: The last thing you want to do is have people kick you out of the raid for being a hard head and or if it's your group, you don't want them leaving because you didn't pull out the imp for the stamina buff... but if you can - sac/rez and have the best of both worlds. ol

[frarie]

Depends on the size of the group. If it's large, say 40 peeps, your extra damage by sacking doesn't contribute much to the fight as a whole. In such case, it's more beneficial to have the imp out for the sta buff on the main tank. In a small one, say 5 peeps, the extra damage you do might as well be the crucial factor in the fight.

[mwilding]

I can't remember the last time I had an imp out in an instance. If there is a mage and a priest in the group and there is steady (even if rare) downtime, the I will sac/rez the succy for the damage. If my group is good enough to roll with little or no downtime or if healing is at a premium, I go with the VW sac/rez. It frees up all the healer's mana for the tank.

[evilhacker]

It depends on the fight as well. A lot of the time, the tanks are too far away to benefit from blood pact anyways. I DS unless I'm specifically asked for blood pact and there are only a couple of fights where it seems to be critical. Your raid leader should tell you when you need to have the imp out.

You'll probably alternate between Imp, Succubus and VW sacrifice throughout the a run. A good rule of thumb is that if you are not AoEing or if you have your FR gear on, use the VW. If your told to put your damage gear on, use the succubus.

[cealis]

Well yesterday i did ubrs and even there they asked for the bloodpact when you have 2 level 60 wars who are pretty good geared.
I basicly go either for the extra damage or regen so i have no downtime there.

[overlordbob]

It is hard to tell if most of you are talking about smaller raids or 40 man raids, so I will make a distinction

5 man: Depending on your make up it can be beneficial to have the imp out, but if you have a great healer and no mage then your extra DPS can matter, and you probably will not need the extra stamina.

20 man: At this point there is SOOO much DPS and you are such a small part of it that worrying about how much EXTRA DPS you can do is beginning to be meaningless. If you actually look at what the extra damage you do is as a percentage of the total DPS it is laughable. On the flip side there are not TOO many fights where having the extra stamina is even close to critical, unless you are running ZQ and the raid is not well geared then it is best to keep the imp out. So, basically at this point it is still a matter of choice, however the raid will usually want the imp out.

40 man: If a guild wants ultra smooth runs, that go quick with little to no wipes, then the raids is going to be highly organized. This means max auras and buffs. There are some fights where it is very critical that all the tanks and healers have maximum health, and that means the imp. In a 40 man sac’ing for a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of extra DPS compared to the total DPS output of the raid is having little to no effect.

frarie got it right : Depends on the size of the group. If it's large, say 40 peeps, your extra damage by sacking doesn't contribute much to the fight as a whole. In such case, it's more beneficial to have the imp out for the sta buff on the main tank. In a small one, say 5 peeps, the extra damage you do might as well be the crucial factor in the fight.

Evil hacker I am confused on a point:

1. It depends on the fight as well. A lot of the time, the tanks are too far away to benefit from blood pact anyways.

What fights are you in where you can not run up close to the tank and hit ‘stay’ on your imp?

[evilhacker]

I kind of disagree. Even in a 40 man, my DPS counts and a healer shouldn't have to waste mana on me to keep me alive. If there's an opportunity for me to be self-healing or for me to do 15% more damage without dying, it's in the best interests of the entire raid for me to take advantage of it. Most of the time I'm grouped with other ranged and they don't need the additional stamina anyways.

Sulfuron, Gehennas, Golemagg, and Lucifron are all fights where, at least for our raids, the MT will drag the boss more than 30 yards away from where I can safely park the imp. Sure, the MT will start with bloodpact, but it won't be there when he needs it.