9/21/21 - Wich demon is the least desirable in endgame?

[DiabloSP]

I have been thinkin on respeccing to DS/Ruin for quite some time, and playing with the talent calculator, i've noticed that we HAVE to sacrifice one of our demons (only putting 1 point in it) if we want to keep the 9-points aff. tree. (I plan on mixing PVE-PVP-Instances)

I would like to ask the big boys what do you think about the endgame pets and their usefulness.

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My thoughts right now:

- I LOVE voidwalker sacrifice (for shield) in mage/rogue PVP, but I think it's the only use for him in the end game, since lately I spent most of my time with DS VW. It's, unlike succy or imp, useless in endgame instances.
- I'm not used to Succy and seduce, but having destruction talents now may change that. I would not like to pass on her for pvp.
- Imp is another good source of damage and the STA buff is great. Besides, I can spend 1 point on my way to ruin, improving his damage, as with the Succy.

Seems Imp and Succy are the logical choices, but I've spent my entire career 1-to-57 using VW and I may miss this lovely blue guy.

[Shalymar]

I only use the VW on the Garr fight in MC other then that, I always sacrifice and rez my succubus for the added spell damage bonus. Lately I have only pulled my imp out only to sacrifice him shortly after for the added fire damage when I AoE Hellfire core hound packs. In PvP I use my succubus and seduce all the melees that I encounter or use the felhunter for spell lock on casters.

[Kris_xK]

If you're going for a 9/21/21 build, the main point (besides ruin) is DS. That means most of the time you should have a demon DS'd to make the most of your build. Unless you're an engineer using booster cablers, other builds would be better (such as SM/Ruin) for just having an Imp or Succy out for BP or Seduce.

As for what demon for endgame? Depends. For most raids I'll either have a VW DS'd or a Succy. Felhunter's mana regen is good for fights were i know I wont draw aggro or get hit much, but otherwise I prefer just lifetaping with a DS'd VW. Same with PvP.

[psilocybe]

I mostly do PvE nowadays (ZG/MC/AQ20), and I use all the demons, both normally and sacrificed.

When doing heavy AoE for more than 1-2 minutes (core hound packs, the spiders near Mar'li, pushing forward in AV), I sacrifice imp. I usually do instances with tier 1/2-wearing guildies, so they usually survive without blood pact.

When grinding, farming for herbs (I ride over cliffs with reckless abandon) or doing Hakkar, I sacrifice voidwalker. When doing Garr, he gets to live.

When doing trashmobs and most bosses in MC/ZG, I sacrifice succubus. In Strat scarlet, she's handy for CC when there's no mage/rogue along.

Felhunter is handy alive when doing Lucifron and Geddon (eats the "impending doom" and "ignite mana" debuffs). Sacrifice is worthless, as 3% hp > 2% mana, and 420 hp -> 509 mana with 2/2 Life tap.

That said, I'm lucky with having both a GM and a CL who let warlocks do their thing. I know a lot of people have their imp out constantly when raiding.

[Fenrir]

i'm usually in mt-group, so imp is allways out during raiding. only at the bwl-trash i'm allowed to have some fun

well the least desirable... i'd say voidwalker. i only find use of him at garr, and during farming when i wanted a high healthregen

[Nerzula]

[quote=psilocybe]I mostly do PvE nowadays (ZG/MC/AQ20), and I use all the demons, both normally and sacrificed.

Im new to this website but have been reading forums for advice for a long time now, and i keep seeing AQ20, what does that mean?

[Shalymar]

Originally Posted by Nerzula

Im new to this website but have been reading forums for advice for a long time now, and i keep seeing AQ20, what does that mean?

The instance Ahn'Qiraj in Silithus is broken up into two parts. The Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj, 60+, 20 man instance and the Temple of Ahn'Qiraj, 60+, 40 man instance. People refer to the 20 man instance as AQ20 or the 40 man instance as AQ40. You can access it via the Gates of Ahn'Qiraj, that area before the two instance which has portals leading to both Ruins of Ahn'qiraj and Temple of Ahn'qiraj.

[Zazier]

None I think. Each has a purpose, I farm with the Imp or VW, I grind with the Succ or Imp solo or with the Imp or VW when in party. I use the felhunter when i need him in PvP or in instances with caster heavy (like ZF). I love my Imp mostly. He's my crafty little bugger that kills things very fast.

Sometimes I hate using a pet and whip out my VW for a good old DS. Mmmm Extra HP for the Tapping. I respec'd to Afliction for all of 10 minutes then went back to 7/31/0. Never looked back since.

Cheers,

[SpecialK]

Originally Posted by psilocybe

That said, I'm lucky with having both a GM and a CL who let warlocks do their thing. I know a lot of people have their imp out constantly when raiding.

ok, i'm new to the "playing nice with others" business (read: "guild") -- I'm used to pulling out the minion that helps me the most, or who i feel will be the greatest asset in the situation i'm in.

i had a level 60 priest (keep in mind i'm only level 51) tell me i needed to use my imp in ZF (keep in mind that's a relatively low level instance) for the health buff. what a waste of a minion!! i told him if he was worth a dang as a healer the extra HP wouldn't be necessary, but the tanking of my VW would prove invaluable since our warrior was only level 44. He threw a fit so i pulled out the imp, and after he got swarmed and killed twice in a row because the warrior couldn't tank he decided that it would be "ok" if I used the VW for off-tanking.

i guess what i'm saying is why does anyone else think they should decide what the warlock gets to have as a minion? just because they perceive the imp as useful because he gives THEM a buff, doesnt make him worth anything. Warlocks need their minions, and in a sticky situation the imp isn't gonna save my butt

or am i just asocial and impolite, and i should let someone who knows nothing about the warlock call the shots?

[Raistln]

I have been using DS/Ruin for a couple months now after leveling with Dark Pact and playing with DS/Soul Link. Without doubt, I am currently happiest with the current build of 7/21/23 (improved life tap/Demonic Sac/Pyroclasm-Ruin). The Pyroclasm is just an extra 2 points that I had remaining. I'd be happy with 7/21/21

The reason to go for Ruin is obviously the 100% crit, so it is great when coupled with a sacrificed succubus for 15% more shadow damage. Combined with COS I can over 2400 with my shadowbolts and hover around 900. I'm not overly geared, just a couple (newly purple) ZG gear, some deathmist, and the felheart horns.

The worst thing about long boss fights is running out of mana like in the first boss of AQ20, the panther and tiger fights in ZG, and many of the MC fights. That is no longer a problem when I'm getting 3% health back every 4 sec and lifetapping.

For the corehounds in MC/alligators, panthers, tigers in ZG, if I'm not lazy I'll sacrifice my imp and for the extra 15% fire damage, and if I'm really not lazy I'll use the firestone for some added omph.

The only demon I never sacrifice is the felhunter. As a warlock does it ever make sense to trade 3% of health regen for 2%o of mana regen considering my health is at the same level of mana, and I have improved lifetap?

Your question implies that you would have to give up your pet to use demonic sacrifice, but keep in mind that you only have to sacrifice when it's to your benefit. You can still keep the VW or succubus around for farming, Felhunter around for CSing/remove magic, imps for stam buffs, etc.

That's what I love about this build. It's so flexible. The only more flexible build is probably Soul Link/DS, but I found that since I don't PVP and since our tanks are pretty good, I rarely used Soul Link for the extra 30% HP, but if I did, Soul Link/Sacrifice/Fel Domination would be an invaluable asset.