Crowd Control: Seduce vs VW Off-Tank

Ashgar · August 08, 2006, 02:40 PM

The group I normally run with is a warrior, priest, rogue, and shaman. This means that in many cases I'm called on to deal with crowd control. What I've found is that having the voidwalker off-tank a mob is far easier then chain-seducing. The main reason is that seduce breaks so often and the succubus is so much more fragile than the voidwalker. Anyone else experience the same thing?

TDom2001 · August 08, 2006, 03:11 PM

I was in UD strat last night and I was called on to chain seduce one of the necros. I suggested off tanking with the void and they said they'd rather have the seduce. I tried to explain that if the mobs are shadow resistant, or if anyone used aoe, the seduce breaks. And it did. Repeatedly. I couldn't seem to keep seduce on. Very frustrating. I agree with the OP. Off tanking, especially with MD, is much better than chain seduce. RotV heal for that one extra hit ftw.

Lysergication · August 09, 2006, 02:24 PM

This actually just gave me an idea. If there are a lot of adds, an offtanking VW on a mob with CoD could be very effective, if the fight is rather long.

Baranar · August 09, 2006, 02:41 PM

In instances where many adds are likely, I tend to pull out my VW, have a priest shield him and sac him for the bonus, and keep him on passive. When the healer pulls the adds I send the VW over and do a suffering, which is a huge aggromagnet, leaving the priest unharmed. Also, I've found using VW who's been doing torment to a mob 4 or 5 times makes it .... impossible .... for a warrior to pull the mob off, even with taunt. Great offtank IMO.

Riel · August 10, 2006, 02:49 PM

When I was level 50, my VW could hold absolutely NO aggro. Turned out I hadn't bought new spells for him since level 20. <3

VW offtanking is probably easier because you don't have to repick your target to re-seduce.

And yeh, always put CoS up, it lengthens the duration. =)

Firedrake · August 11, 2006, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Riel

And yeh, always put CoS up, it lengthens the duration. =)

it merely stops it breaking early. the only way to increase the length of the seduce is to put points into improved succubus from the demonology tree.

Riel · August 12, 2006, 03:33 PM

Hm ok.... my bad then. Well it's still worth casting CoS.

Gritz · August 14, 2006, 08:02 AM

if I recall correctly, CoS only helps the initial seduce stick, and has no effect on the chance to break early; as opposed to fear, which is not a binary spell.

-Gritz

Hardest · August 16, 2006, 10:53 AM

Voidy seems very effective if he's the first one to aggro a mob, but he seems much less effective at pulling a mob that someone has already minorly slashed. So if your group allows you to send him off first he can easily blow smoke around and keep things focused on him. However, if your group likes to dive into the fray ahead of you maybe seduce will fit their style a little better.

Riel · August 17, 2006, 03:30 AM

The point that I discovered last few days is, I simply never have my VW out. I do have my succubus out because I'm MD/Ruin specced. So when we pull too many mobs, I quicky seduce 1...

The good thing about seduce is that it's not aggro based... with your VW you just have to hope it can aggro more than the healer does.

August 08, 2006, 02:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ashgar Member Character Info Ashgar 58 Orc Warlock Gul'dan US PvP Guild: Night Train	Crowd Control: Seduce vs VW Off-Tank The group I normally run with is a warrior, priest, rogue, and shaman. This means that in many cases I'm called on to deal with crowd control. What I've found is that having the voidwalker off-tank a mob is far easier then chain-seducing. The main reason is that seduce breaks so often and the succubus is so much more fragile than the voidwalker. Anyone else experience the same thing?

August 08, 2006, 03:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
TDom2001 Member Character Info Hym 70 Human Warlock Khadgar US PvE Guild: The High Council Talent Spec: 7/7/47	Re: Crowd Control: Seduce vs VW Off-Tank I was in UD strat last night and I was called on to chain seduce one of the necros. I suggested off tanking with the void and they said they'd rather have the seduce. I tried to explain that if the mobs are shadow resistant, or if anyone used aoe, the seduce breaks. And it did. Repeatedly. I couldn't seem to keep seduce on. Very frustrating. I agree with the OP. Off tanking, especially with MD, is much better than chain seduce. RotV heal for that one extra hit ftw.

August 09, 2006, 02:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
Lysergication Lurker Character Info Grimsoul 6Ø Undead Warlock Turalyon US PvE Guild: Infernus	Re: Crowd Control: Seduce vs VW Off-Tank This actually just gave me an idea. If there are a lot of adds, an offtanking VW on a mob with CoD could be very effective, if the fight is rather long.

August 09, 2006, 02:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
Baranar Lurker Character Info Baranar 60 Orc Warlock Hyjal US PvE	Re: Crowd Control: Seduce vs VW Off-Tank In instances where many adds are likely, I tend to pull out my VW, have a priest shield him and sac him for the bonus, and keep him on passive. When the healer pulls the adds I send the VW over and do a suffering, which is a huge aggromagnet, leaving the priest unharmed. Also, I've found using VW who's been doing torment to a mob 4 or 5 times makes it .... impossible .... for a warrior to pull the mob off, even with taunt. Great offtank IMO.

August 10, 2006, 02:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
Riel Member Character Info Riel 60 Gnome Warlock Deathwing Euro PvP Guild: Exiled Profile: CTProfile	Re: Crowd Control: Seduce vs VW Off-Tank When I was level 50, my VW could hold absolutely NO aggro. Turned out I hadn't bought new spells for him since level 20. <3 VW offtanking is probably easier because you don't have to repick your target to re-seduce. And yeh, always put CoS up, it lengthens the duration. =)

August 12, 2006, 03:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
Riel Member Character Info Riel 60 Gnome Warlock Deathwing Euro PvP Guild: Exiled Profile: CTProfile	Re: Crowd Control: Seduce vs VW Off-Tank Hm ok.... my bad then. Well it's still worth casting CoS.

August 14, 2006, 08:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
Gritz NOT IN THE FACE!!!! Character Info Gritz 80 Orc Warlock Eldre'Thalas US PvE Guild: Fate Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 57/14/0	Re: Crowd Control: Seduce vs VW Off-Tank if I recall correctly, CoS only helps the initial seduce stick, and has no effect on the chance to break early; as opposed to fear, which is not a binary spell. -Gritz

August 16, 2006, 10:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
Hardest Registered Character Info Mizraim 60 Human Warlock Khaz'goroth Oceania PvE Guild: Coalesce	Re: Crowd Control: Seduce vs VW Off-Tank Voidy seems very effective if he's the first one to aggro a mob, but he seems much less effective at pulling a mob that someone has already minorly slashed. So if your group allows you to send him off first he can easily blow smoke around and keep things focused on him. However, if your group likes to dive into the fray ahead of you maybe seduce will fit their style a little better.

August 17, 2006, 03:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
Riel Member Character Info Riel 60 Gnome Warlock Deathwing Euro PvP Guild: Exiled Profile: CTProfile	Re: Crowd Control: Seduce vs VW Off-Tank The point that I discovered last few days is, I simply never have my VW out. I do have my succubus out because I'm MD/Ruin specced. So when we pull too many mobs, I quicky seduce 1... The good thing about seduce is that it's not aggro based... with your VW you just have to hope it can aggro more than the healer does.