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October 20, 2008, 08:16 AM
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Anatu's short guide for raiding as Affliction@70 3.02
Hello all, Scince the patch I have spent some hours reading on forums and training on target dummies in IF. I have also tried raiding as affliction in Black Temple with the result of topping damage done on several bosses. Standing a little bit lower on dps though. I thought it would be a good idea to share my personal experiences so far with my fellow locks. Why Affliction - It's fun - It seem's to put out the highest total damage on... |
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October 21, 2008, 11:11 AM
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Re: Anatu's short guide for raiding as Affliction@70 3.02
21/40 is dead 56/5 or the feguard/ruin spec is much much better now. Great guide to OP |
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October 21, 2008, 02:23 PM
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Re: Anatu's short guide for raiding as Affliction@70 3.02
Personally I went 56/5/0 and i'm loving it. Unless Nightfall procs I never use the shadowbolt. With the improved corruption Glyph though it seems to proc a lot. I've noticed that Corruption is a HUGE part of my dps now. About 35%. I've been changing my rotation now. I go siphon life, corruption, curse of agony, unstable affliction, haunt then I drain life to refresh the corruption then I go through the rotation refreshing whatever's expired. Keeping corruption refreshed is very important I feel as it just continues doing great dps. About 565 tick for me and 700+ when haunt is up. Even in pvp I tend to run away a lot casting siphon life, corruption and curse of agony on. opposing players. And the dots just eat away at them. In my experience I get more steady dps refreshing my dots and just using the free shadowbolt procs. But the big secret to affliction raiding is Seed of Corruption. I run with a well geared warrior tank. Even in heroics if i get him a few seconds to grab aggro I can seed all of the mobs without pulling aggro and jump to the top of the damage meter. My boomkin and marksman hunter buddy don't understand how I do it. Affliction has gotten really beefed I think for raiding and even in pvp if you use it right. |
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October 22, 2008, 06:41 AM
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Malbabo 80 Gnome Warlock Sen´Jin US PvE |
Re: Anatu's short guide for raiding as Affliction@70 3.02
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October 22, 2008, 09:32 PM
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Re: Anatu's short guide for raiding as Affliction@70 3.02
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft That is the build I would use for pure PvE. (if you don't need the hit just move the points around) Your build doesn't have DP which is gonna be taxing your healers more on tough fights were they can't afford a gcd. Amp. Curse is god absolutely horrible now, .5 seconds ever 5 minutes? Only time I would take it is if I was using Curse of Agony, and even then it is sub-par. I am also not a big fan of death's embrace for PvE because yes it is 12% at -35%hp, but on most fights if you hit that mark you're probably going to make it just fine. I also have a problem with your rotation, you aren't using immolate which may or may not be worth spending the 1.5 seconds on, but if casting 1 immolate will do more damage per cast time (and won't interfere with your dots/haunt) than SB then it is worth casting. Also, why are you using SL first, corruption and UA will be doing the most damage for you so it makes sense to do Curse,Corruption,haunt,UA,Immolate,SL,sb spam until Haunt is off cd I don't understand why on earth you would start off with SB as almost all of our affliction spells have a higher damage/cast time making them priority. some immolate math (source Spell Coefficients - Elitist Jerks) immolate coefficient 0.20 dd and 0.65 dot SB 0.857 so immolate damage is 1.5*1.15(327+0.2x)+615+0.65X [X=spell dam.] SB is 1.5*1.15(572+0.857X) [assuming 15% crit.] including multipliers (1.13*1.10*1.03[ret. pally]) and 10% scorch crit. boost for SB (1.13*1.10) and 10% crit. for DD (1.13*1.10*1.05*1.20) we get Immolate (1.13*1.10(1.5*1.25(327+0.2X)))+(1.13*1.10*1.05*1. 20(615+0.65)) SB (1.13*1.10(1.5*1.25(572+0.857X))) you put em equal to each other and you get 1.875(327+0.2X)+1.155(615+0.65X) = 1.875(572+0.857X) [I cancled 1.13*1.10] 613+0.375X+710+0.751X = 1073+1.607X 1323+1.126X = 1073+1.607X 250 = 0.481X 520 = X is when they do the same Damage with SB scaling up past that with cast time included you get (1323+1.126X)/1.5 = (1073+1.607X)/2.5 882+0.751X = 429+0.643X Immolate will always be larger per cast time than SB with a 15% crit. chance this changes once you crit. gets higher or you get shadow and flame, but immolate is worth it. *hate doing math without a graphing calculator/pen and paper* If anyone comes up with another multiplier then go ahead, but that is all I could think of (Haunt/Shadow Embrace/Shadow Mastery/Imp. Scorch/Ret pally imp Ret aura/Coe(earth and moon/ebon plague)) *** Information added 1 Minutes and 51 Seconds later... *** A side note to Xeticus, DL is not a good filler nuke because it suffers from the 50% drain coefficient reduction, so it scales worse :(. Dunno if it benefits from all the dot bonuses (ie. Haunt) then it may be great but other than that I would ahve to say not a perfect idea. |
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October 23, 2008, 02:48 AM
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Re: Anatu's short guide for raiding as Affliction@70 3.02
tried yesterday affliction in TK. I had some problem to find a correct rotation for trash. Tried UA,haunt,sb. I took dark pact but I must say that without improved fellguard this one is OOM if you drain it. As my life-tap give me the same amount of mana it was indeed useless to take dark pact. For the spell rotation I have merge your two maccros in one and removed one life tap. Mana was not a problem in a 25 man raid: /castsequence reset=target/combat Haunt, Siphon Life, Unstable Affliction, Haunt, Unstable Affliction, Life tap Small question. Do you think refreshing haunt every cd off is better thant casting a SB and just refresh haunt before corruption is off ? |
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October 23, 2008, 03:52 AM
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Re: Anatu's short guide for raiding as Affliction@70 3.02
[quote=amiddleona;218946I I don't understand why on earth you would start off with SB as almost all of our affliction spells have a higher damage/cast time making them priority. .[/quote] Well I belive I know why he is using it. Let me explain the how it looks. Tank says in Raid warning I am pulling in 5 secs. 2 seconds before pull he starts to cast shadow bolt. When tank is charging the target shadow bolt is on its way to the target. Tank hits first immediately followed by locks shadowbolt. When I was using Affliction spec in the days I was doing the same thing but I was using Immolate as a opener bc It had 1.5 cast time and I started casting it BEFORE tank actually hit the target but after he hit it the Immolate landed. It needs perfect timing but you can learn it in few heroic runs easily. None of you math doesnt apply here becasue he isnt wqasting any time he just cant open with corr or anything else cause he will pull agro. |
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October 23, 2008, 03:19 PM
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Re: Anatu's short guide for raiding as Affliction@70 3.02
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Actually, it looks like it is a combination of 2 things: 1) Timing the cast to take advantage of the pull 2) Getting Shadow Embrace up so it will stack with the one applied by Haunt. Also, I agree that we get enough life return that we don't need improved Fellhunter or dark pact. As for immolate, remember, you want to SB to make sure you keep shadow embrace stacked. Immolate can be good for a rotation, but it makes it harder to ensure that you have time to keep all of your debuffs stacked to create maximum synergy. |
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October 23, 2008, 04:16 PM
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Re: Anatu's short guide for raiding as Affliction@70 3.02
I have been reading a number of posts trying to figure out how to spec myself since the patch. I am really interestested in knowing if a lock who has DPS of 1200 +, how close they got to their pre patch number. What was your pre/post damage? What is the spec that works for you now, AT level 70 ->with the link and what is your rotation. What is your minion doing? Your/minion dps? - Bean |
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October 24, 2008, 10:13 AM
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Re: Anatu's short guide for raiding as Affliction@70 3.02
howdy, i've been mainly raiding Demo/ruin or demo pact since the patch, but last night i tried affliction again, and while i hadn't done the whole dot thing in a while i still managed to get around 1300 dps on bosses and some trash in BT. now the bosses have been nerfed, but hey i still got a minute or two on most of them to let myself warm up and to get all my dots popping. i must say it was a lot of fun, especially since i raided Aff thru t4, but upon going into t5 content i had started going 21/40 with all the others. so i'm getting used to it again. I also think that just like pre patch some builds fit certain tiers better than others, affliction still scales better for people with earlier gear, but it continues to scale as gear level increases now. there is still a bit of a gear requirement for destro, and i believe(and will be adding this to my guide) that demo scales best with more haste on your gear which would generally explain the whole BT geared people getting twice as much DPS as anyone under that level. |
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