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September 05, 2008, 11:56 PM

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Akasha

The 'Closed Threads' Thread Reply!

While I was distracted with a bit of Spore, there was a bit of an "issue" happening. Now that I have some time, I'd like to address it. So yes, brace yourself, another Novel is coming!

Re: The Closing of Threads.

Before I get started, I'd like to share the latest thread closures so people can actually see why we close threads. I seem to be getting the impression some members feel we enjoy closing threads (we don't) and that we do it randomly to what ever thread we feel like. I want to make it very clear that is not the case. Far from it.

Below is a list of the threads that have been closed recently (last month or so):

Talent Threads
Usually the biggest culprit.

Need Help Spec Closed because it was under the Spells and Talents, when it should have been placed under the Talent Builds - Ask for help area. The poster was reminded of this.
PvE and PvP Spec? Again, because it was under the Spells and Talents, when it should have been placed under the Talent Builds - Ask for help area. The poster was reminded of this.
Destruction DPS 0/21/40 This was posted under the Combat and Tactics section. As my reply stated, I wasn't actually sure what the thread was seeking help with, but either way, it was under the wrong section.
47/7/11 PvP Posted under the PvP section, even though there is a very obviously titled sticky stating "No more Talent threads in the PvP Section!"
felguard raiding Ignoring the whole "Raiding with the Felguard" guide we have, the thread was posted under the Instances and Raids section.
I need help with a new talent build. Closed because it was under the Instances and Raids section, when it should have been placed under the Talent Builds - Ask for help area. The poster was reminded of this.

Gear Threads
These seem to have replaced the talent build threads for being closed.

Gem Problem! Posted under the Gear Discussion area, when in should have been posted under the Pimp my Gear section as it was asking for help.
Specifics on socketing my pvp gear Same as above
I'm not sure if i should replace +spell gems with +crit! Same again...
2piece T5... but which? Aaaand again.
Kara/Gruuls/Mags lock, when should I go destro? Posted under the Instances and Raids section, when it should have been submitted under the Pimp my Gear section.
Gearing my Lock @ 70 Was closed because there are an abundance of 'Gearing @ 70' threads already. Now either a) Look at the Gearing Guide, or b) post under the help section if you need specific assistance.

So far, all of the talent and gear threads would have remained open if they had followed the very simple request to use the 'Get Help' section. I would like to take a moment to also remind those that have a problem with the 'help' threads being in a separate section, that this was in fact done due to member feedback and request. It was a month ago that the new system was put in, see the news post: http://wowmb.net/forums/f71/27754-equipment_gear_ratings_pimping/

These changes were made due to the feedback given in the Equipment, Quests and Rate my Gear sections! thread. These changes were made based on YOUR feedback. So I would like people to stop pointing the fingers at the moderators for that. Especially when I get emos, I mean, emails such as this one this morning:

I was legitimately looking for help but fine I'll stay away from your site and find others who can actually help me. It's very big brotherish that a moderator would have to actually approve and dissaprove threads but it's your site and I certainly do not have to return.

That email was from nathill who had their thread closed as they couldn't follow the format required for new threads.

Other threads closed:

Dread Steed Quest Componentsâ€¦ This thread was closed because the original date of creation was January 30, 2006, and was a true form of necroposting.
New to warlock Asking for assistance with spell rotation, which has been asked many times before. A tag search of the term "Spell Rotation" reveals 60 odd threads already.
Tips for increasing DPS during raids/instances. Yet another 'DPS' thread. There are over 260 threads on DPS alone. As per Theleb's reply, there are threads to read, and sections to use depending on the sort of help they require.
How to Kill a rogue in a Duel... Person registered and that was their second post - their first one was the 'Need Help Spec' listed above. Since there is already an active and current thread on killing Rogues (Killing a Rogue...Written by a Rogue.), we don't really need another, separate one.

Re: Deleting Threads

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Messages that get deleted save the original poster a lot of shame.

Just want to touch lightly on this comment, deleting of threads and/or posts happens very rarely. The only threads that get deleted are either:

Requested by the original poster to be deleted
Are a duplicate thread, which happens when the server lags
Is gold selling spam

Replies that get deleted are usually of the inflammatory/official forums style and/or contain vulgar language. They're the only ones that get deleted, and even that is very, very rarely.

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I do believe that if the OP posted the message in the first place then he saw no shame in his question, therefore I see no reasoning behind that statement.. If getting a thread closed proves to save the OP from a lot of shame then this website can't be MUCH different from the WoW forums or EJ.. Right?

See above.

Re: Following a Format

Since we're on the topic of following a format. Let's (again) look at why...

If I had my way, there wouldn't be any more "help with my talent build" threads. Gear threads I understand a bit more as there's so many options out there, so many things changes, new pieces being added. I understand it more so with the Wrath of the Lich King coming out as there's some big changes coming. That said, there is the gear guide, but anyway...

Talent threads however, I really don't get. After so long in the game, there really isn't anything 'new' when it comes to talent builds. Talents aren't added or changed that often, and there have been SO many talent threads created already (both here and everywhere else), that there is nothing original to bring to the table. I'm of the mind set that research and reading are the best way to learn. It's that whole "give a man a fish, teach him to fish" thing. I created this site so that people could come together and discuss, talk, and learn. What I didn't create it for, was for people to come and be hand held through everything. I can't stand people who can't think for themselves.

And when I see the umpteenth "is my talent build" ok thread being created I want to bang my head on my desk.

BUT, I'm also aware that not everyone is as good as me... lol. Ok, let me rephrase. Don't see things the same way that I do. So again, I put it forward to you guys, the members. This was done ages ago, and the feedback was two fold:

I'm sick of the talent build threads
I don't mind them

Through discussion between myself and all those who wanted to provide feedback, we decided that we would still allow the talent build help threads, however they would be moved out of the 'discussion' section. And voila, the help section was born.

That wasn't the end of it though. A lot of issues people had with the threads, was that people weren't providing any information. "Here's my build, what do you think, huh?" So, a format was put together that would ensure those seeking the help would provide all the necessary information so that those wanting to help, could. Because it seemed that most people needing help with their talent builds couldn't actually read a sticky and were still posting threads incorrectly, I changed it so that threads would need approval before being visible. The good thing with the format is that it also helped me approve threads very quickly.

Open thread
See format (especially when using the same colours as the sticky)
Approve

I don't even have to actually read the text to know that it can be approved.

The result was that people still got to post their talent build threads. Those that are sick of seeing them can just stay out of the help area, while those that do like to help can. A format is followed to ensure that all the information needed to help is there, and that I can approve threads without even really looking at them.

Or, as Theleb put it:

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There are a couple of problems - one of which is that Akasha, Malty and I simply do not have the time to examine every single thread for its relevancy, or to see how contemporary the information is.

The second is that as you have noted the vast majority of closed threads are repeat postings without prior reference to the search engine, or those which didn't follow the format we tried to establish so that we can at least keep some semblance of order for those threads that by their nature are going to be repeated daily.

For the latter - they're going to stay closed. Their nature is such that we make huge allowances for their repetition in the first place so expecting posters to search/follow formats isn't too much to ask..and for the former;

Re: The recent thread
The following is replies to the thread in question, a lot of it will be quote and reply.

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Other times, however, it's because people don't follow a specific format and don't ask their questions exactly how an admin would like

As mentioned above, there are reasons the format is there. Following on from that though, what's the point of having the format to follow, if we allow people to ignore it? And, how is that fair to the people that do take the time and effort to post correctly, when some other person comes in and doesn't.

There's only two possible outcomes for this:

Keep the format, and continue enforcing it
Lose the format altogether.

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it feels as though 1 out of every 4 or 5 new threads I read is closed

Above is the list of closed threads done over the last month or so. There are 16 of them. Here's a list of the "new thread" count for this year so far. Note, this isn't new posts, but new threads:

January 2008 - 595
February 2008 - 625
March 2008 - 789
April 2008 - 718
May 2008 - 612
June 2008 - 724
July 2008 - 832
August 2008 - 648
September 2008 - 78

That's hardly 1 out of every 4 or 5 threads being closed. Again, 12 of those those closed threads could still be open if the person creating them had made sure they were under the correct area.

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I don't want there to be only 1 thread on the matter. I don't want to be told that "This is the answer and it is to be the only discussion of this matter."

That's hardly the case here. Please find me a decent discussion that isn't a help with my gear or help me with talent thread that's been closed recently.

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Different threads on the same topic each have different thoughts and input and I, for one, have gained a good bit of knowledge from said repetitive threads. Many people, for whatever reason, do not like replying to threads that have been dead for months, or years. Sometimes it's because the game has changed so much that it almost makes the previous thread irrelevant. Many (maybe up to half) of the pvp "how to beat a class" threads seem to be out of date. Still, any time someone wants to know about pvp tactics their new thread is closed and they are directed to the old ones. The old ones that people rarely add new ideas to.

There is a change coming in relation to the PvP example you gave. I do find it slightly ironic that this is a complaint however, as it was only March of this year that the "how to kill a [class] threads" sticky was created... and it was created, due to member requests. People were sick of the constant 'How do I kill a Rogue/Hunter" threads and asked for something to be done about it. The members decided that a sticky thread linking to all the current threads would be a good idea, and then people could reply to those existing threads for help.

Result? No one replied to existing threads, and now people are complaining about the sticky. LOL make up your minds!

And again, I'd like everyone to stop pointing the fingers at the mods for that problem and turn the fingers around. We did what you asked.

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The biggest problem (of which this is a symptom) is that the Den is quite massive. Ensuring that every single thread is up to date would be a behemoth task and quite honestly as we near the end of The Burning Crusade its not one that I would care to burden anyone with which leaves us with two questions:

1) Do we wait for Wrath of the Lich King and then ensure that every single thread is regularly maintained and checked?

2) Do we start now and dig our way through a lot of old threads that in all probability need deleting to make the task in Wrath of the Lich King easier?

Just commenting on how out of date some things are... a lot of that is because a lot (if not all) of it is left up to me. And I'm only one person. I'd really like (nay, LOVE!) for others to take some initiative and update some things! I am currently doing a mix of 1 and 2 myself - for example the pet profile pages, some are waiting for Wrath of the Lich King. But I am also trying to get as much other items up to date as possible. All of it unfortunately comes down to time, of which I just never seem to have enough of.

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and as far as the PvP section - try to persuade those PvP-fanatics amongst you to post up tactics, links, videos and ideas to fill those threads out as of now.

YES PLEASE!!!!!

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If people genuinely feel that their thread was closed prematurely then there's always a recourse to address that situation and as you will have noticed, if we've made mistakes then the threads are re-opened

I just wanted to add to Theleb's comment there, that threads have been re-opened. I can remember on at least two occasions where the original poster got in contact with me, explained their feelings in a mature and calm matter, and through discussion with myself, have had their threads re-opened. As Theleb said, we are human, we do make mistakes. Me in particular since the arrival of Savannah and sleep has been thrown out the window. But like all humans, I don't respond well to abuse, name calling and attacks. Of course I'm not going to try to help you if you just attack me. But come to me nicely, and I'm always ready to listen. (may not be straight away given my hectic life, but I do get there)

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I do love the site, but I'm basically afraid to post anymore.

This I have to say honestly, I don't understand. Why is it so scary to post? Because as displayed above, so long as you follow some very simple requirements, your post is fine. Of course, for those that can't follow a sticky or post under the correct area, then yes, your post will be closed. But 9 times out of 10, you're just asked to post in the correct section. Of all those closed threads above, NONE were given anything other than a notification about their post. No points, no infractions, no suspensions or bans. Is being asked to try again really such a scary thing? /boggle

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Might be time to look at the current membership and see if adding a couple more moderators could help ease the load and possibly allow for 'relevancy review' of more threads?

Although I already addressed this comment, I was having a craptastic day and my reply was a little hasty, so would like to come back to it. I still stand by my feelings that it's shouldn't be the mods that need to expand or work harder. I honestly don't think asking a few simple requests like "post under the correct area" and "follow this format so we can help you better" is really that hard. And as evident by the above, that's what most of the mod work is.

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A couple of the search features I doubt many people use are the advanced search, in which you can set a limit to how far back the search goes, and the tag search, which shows frequent topics. If you do a simple click on the search button and type something in, you may not come up with what you are looking for so try one of these functions.

Yes, thankyou. I tout it all the time, but the search feature has been tweaked to perform very well. And the advanced search gives you, oddly enough, advanced controls over what results it returns - including how far back you want to search. The tag function works very well, especially in helping find talent build threads and the '2v2' PvP threads, as they don't show up under the search feature for being too short, but they do show up when using the tag search. I've also got a new hack working that automatically tags all threads, so it's captured EVERYTHING.

Side note - this is why giving your thread title is so important, as that's where it pulls the tags from. I've noticed that "problem" is one of the most commonly used tags, as is "help"... Not ideal.

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A mod post about incorrect formatting or incorrect location is not a "don't ask this question" statement, it simply means rephrase or relocate into the proper format/location.

/cookie!

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I don't know how they find the time or energy (Akasha especially with her little one) to administer the site.

I get about 2 hours of WoW play a week at the moment. IE I don't have the time LOL. Elricc I can't find the thread in which you are referring to where you post was deleted though. Do you remember what it was? If you could let me know I will happily look into it. I personally don't remember seeing your post...

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I don't know anyone on this forum personally and therefore have no intentions of making personal attacks, but I do feel like despite the best efforts (and I know there are many considerable efforts) put forth by Akasha and the mods I get very confused as to just how formal/informal or casual/professional this place is supposed to be. We want everything nice and tidy and neat, but yes, the rules have become very rigid and strict. In fact, this is by far the most strict forum I have ever visited regularly. Some of the restrictions are nice, but some, while the intentions are good, have made things almost too laborious. Still, it's generally done in a professional manner which is why I don't understand the personal defensive replies from Akasha.

As I mentioned, was a bad, bad day. Compounded by money stress, which is the worst kind of stress. I'm curious as to which rules have become 'very rigid and strict' however? How are we so strict? I really don't understand that as I feel we're pretty laid back. As I seem to keep repeating, yes, we do close threads that aren't under the correct section, but how is that our fault? It's not the mods fault that people post under the wrong area... which I might add, I feel are very obviously titled. I've asked non WoW players to look over the sections (when I used to work a paying job) and tell me if they could understand what types of questions belong under there to make sure I wasn't making things too confusing. So far, everyone got it right.

So yes, which rules are so rigid and strict?

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I like the idea of the "mod-forum" for every question /rant/whatever concerning threads, so the rest of the forum will be kept clean and thus requires less maintenance.

I was thinking more along the lines of having the current mod forum open - all it is, is a list of the closed and moved threads, what gets created when someone reports a post, messages sent out to members, and the messages they send back. Although, there are a couple of recent threads where members have gotten very verbal with their emails that I'd love to make public lol. It's just that some people seem to have a very wrong idea about what us mods actually do, so perhaps having it all out in the open, people would realise it's sooooo not "1 in 4" threads getting closed, and you would see the reasons the ones being closed, are actually being closed for.

It would also highlight just how many are just emails/notifications, and not bannings, infractions and what have you.

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How are we to go to moderators privately I went to message one the other day only to find out private messages are not allowed :( is there a way you would be able to enable only moderators and yourself to receive pms?

There are a few ways to get hold of us:

Use the Contact Us form
You can reply to an email sent out to you
Or just send an email straight to me - akasha@wowmb.net
Actually you can just send an email to anything@wowmb.net and it comes through.

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Not all users will be happy 100% of the time so sometimes people may feel like they had their toes stepped on.

Correct. Oddly enough though, the closing of threads and making people post under the correct sections, was done as the majority of members were not happy having so many repeated threads. (as mentioned above)

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Here is my suggestion, Create a sticky, or page somewhere on the site that lists out all the types of threads that get closed with reasons/examples. Something such as:

Your thread will be closed if...

It covers a topic that has been covered extensively and does not bring anything new to the table
- Closed Thread example 1
  - How we dealt with this
- Closed Thread example 2
  - How we dealt with this
It does not match the thread layout clearly defined in the stick of the forum it was posted in.
- Closed Thread example 1
  - How we dealt with this
- Closed Thread example 2
  - How we dealt with this

If you feel your thread was closed for an invalid reason, please click here.

The "Closed Thread example" would link to an actual closed thread that broke this rule. The "How we dealt with this" will clearly show the steps the Moderator's took to deal with the issue, links to emails issued, etc... And you can place a big notice at the bottom that says "If you feel your thread was closed for an invalid reason, please click here." This could be a link that sends them to a private forum to post in, or instructs them to send an email to Akasha.

This is a good idea, although I don't look forward to putting it together and having to find all the examples lol. But as snackereen pointed out, making the rules as obvious as they are (on top of each forum and section etc) should be enough. Or, at least I think they should be. On top of having the rules, sticky formats and such all over the forum (like hello, the 'how to post a talent build thread' is across THREE sections lol, any thread that is closed is followed with an email notification that goes out. And in that notification, the reasons for the thread being closed is included, along with any direction - ie please see this sticky {link} is also given.

Of course, people who select 'no' to receive admin emails don't get those emails, but like other aspects, that's not really our fault.

In theory I think that's a great idea, and I haven't dismissed it completely. Although I do feel, even if I did create something along those lines, the people that send emails like this:

Lol shit forum shit modderators and shit owner specifically you akasha guys are shit and your child is one ugly *** baby i assume its your right LOL good job on maken one that no one will ever wana date/marry *shivers* Lol! (courtesy of member Valium)

Tend to also not have reading comprehension above a 1st grade level, so it wouldn't help them much anyway.

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Fair enough. But I would still suggest making some kind of "Click here if you feel your thread was incorrectly closed" link to stick at the bottom of the closed thread that would send them to a private forum or an email address to use. Some sort of official outlet to vent frustrations to help prevent them from using the public forums and get everyone all riled up.

As mentioned though, people can just reply to the email that is sent out. All replies come directly to my inbox.

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As members of this community we should help police the forums we use. If you see a thread that does not fit the subsection criteria for posting then politely post a reply noting the subsection posting criteria and possibly a link or two to relevant information.

AND

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I have actually done this in the past and was flamed for it, so I don't bother anymore.... Quite often I see threads/topics in the wrong place, but I ignore it because I don't need the aggravation of being flamed for politely pointing someone in the right direction.

Not sure if you were 'flamed' by a member or a mod. But in general, yes by all means point members to the correct places, so long as you do it "politely". That's the key word right there. Because replying with an "oh dude, you're an idiot" type response, can also get you in trouble. However, replying "Please try to use the format here {link}" or, "this thread has been brought up recently, see {link}" type responses are more than welcome.

Perhaps then people will see all this evil closing / censoring of threads isn't all coming from the mods.

There is also the point that I always keep my eye out for those that like to help maintain the forums, you never know when I might put another mod on, or god forbid, one of the current ones might leave and need to be replaced. Which for the record I hope never happens because if I wasn't already married, there are days where I could marry either... or both! Currently however I am looking at making some personal changes to drop back how much "modding" I do as with such little time, all of it is going into making sure things are correct, and it's taking away from time doing the stuff I love - which is putting new content (and updating old) in.

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I also had a small and probably insignificant suggestion. Perhaps, because of the Lich King coming out soon, Akasha and/or the moderators should separate Burning Crusade stuff from the Lich King stuff. I realize there is a subsection on here for the Lich King topics, but that is not what I am referring to. There will still be people coming here to get assistance with pre-Lich King content, and rather than clutter up the new Lich King information, we could have an "old" section for Burning Crusade material. Just a thought to try and keep the forum clean.

Not too sure I'm following this too well. Currently, there is the Wrath of the Lich King section which houses everything to do with Wrath of the Lich King, and the rest of the forum is for "everything else" - including BC and before. So if people need assistance with pre Wrath of the Lich King content, they can use any of the sections (depending on the type of question). Is that what you meant? Sorry, brain still on the whole "closing" portion of the thread. If I've not followed correctly, please create a new thread under this section so we can discuss it there.

@ Warpy - not going to quote your entire post. If people didn't read it, see it here: http://wowmb.net/forums/f17/28344-closing_threads_no_searching/p4/#post207437

Your post speaks volumes of truth, and not just the 'other alternative' part.

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Pretty much sums up my recent experience. After doing some searches, not finding the answer I was looking for, I also hoped to get a bit of a discussion going but there was no opportunity as the thread was closed just hours after I made it.

Nattal, your thread was closed yes, but not after being given a lot of information from Theleb. It was also pointed out to you that a search would have found existing (and recent) topics on the exact same question you asked. You asked about Curse Of Recklessnes in Raids? Why could you not use the Curse of Recklessness on Raid Bosses? thread?

That said, if you did feel your thread was closed too quickly, why not reply to the email that was sent out to you?

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I do understand where the OP is coming from in this thread because there has been a ton of threads getting closed and some people could get discouraged to post just because of that

I've listed all the thread that have been closed in the past month and a bit. Where are all these "tones" of threads being closed?

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I've personally had a thread closed before and for what seemed like no good reason. I posted another thread stating that my thread was closed which in turn got closed as well. IMO the moderators run this as if it's a dictatorship, and if the thread isn't what THEY think it should be they'll close it.

Well, starting a new thread just to complain is obviously not the way to go. Then again, I am starting to realise what is obvious to me clearly isn't to other people. And I didn't think I was that smart. And yes, as pointed out, the "dictatorship" is not always a bad thing, then again, you're not the first person to call me a Nazi, which I assume is the context you mean that statement in. This is a dictatorship - it's my forum, my rules and generally, all of my work and time. I didn't create a forum for people to do as they please, I created a forum/site that I actually want to use, and I will ensure, while it's my money paying for it, that it stays a place I want to use.

It's as simple as that.

*gets off her box* That said, people need to remember that I put A LOT of your member feedback into nearly everything I do. I ask for feedback CONSTANTLY. Something most forums don't do. I may do a lot of the work, but the major changes to the forum layout, formats, requirements etc are all due to member feedback and requests. So really, you're wrong. Threads are closed because it isn't what the MEMBERS think it should be.

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I personally tend to be cautious about starting a new thread, but if anything, that just makes me search to double check that it's not already been asked. Usually, I find my answers. If I don't, I create a thread and be sure to provide as much information as possible so the mods can see it's not just another random question without searching. So far, I'm going ok.

/cookie! Especially the part about providing as much info as you can!

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The only suggestion I'd like to make is to remove the 'How to kill a [class] threads...' thread. I think, given how things change so often in the game, that the threads linked to in that sticky become out of date extremely quickly. I realise it was created to end the repeated 'How do I kill a Rogue' threads, but people don't seem to be replying or updating to the threads linked, so all that's happening is new threads are being squashed and nothing new is coming forth.

I've been working on a change for this over the past two weeks... it should be ready this weekend.

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Fear of posting:
Why? Getting a thread closed or moved does not mean much really. It does not mean we are attacking you or judging you. It's more of an FYI sort of scenario. Do not take a thread closure personally . . . unless you kick up a big fuss about it, chances are I won't remember if I've closed one of your threads or not - it's content driven, not user driven.

Yup! And I'm the same, I can't remember half the threads I closed yesterday, let alone anything after that. Then again, my memory is walking around destroying PC games...

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I can say without hesitation that I gain absolutely zero personal gratification from closing threads. I can't imagine a more silly thing to feel empowered over. If I had my way, my gig would not even be necessary and I could spend more time keeping up wife rep.

Quoted for ABSOLUTELY truth! Please don't think for a moment I get anything from closing threads. Unless of course you count the lack of actual game time and the 'zomg you suck' emails.

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I can see where some people have a fear for making new posts but on the other hand there is also the issue of necro-posting.

What we did on a previous site was any post older then 6 months got locked automatically and when someone wanted to question that very subject they had to link the original then make a new post with their question after reading said original post. What I am wondering is how old does a thread have to be here before it is considered necro-posting and would you prefer that they ask for an update in a new thread or bring up the old?

The problem with that, and it's why the necro-posting rule was taken out of the official forum rules (although it still applies ala the thread necro'd from 2 years ago) is that we push the search features here. And of course, searches can pull up slightly old (up to a year) threads, that can still be somewhat relevant. As mentioned by Theleb earlier in the post, how old it has to be is dependant on the content. Some threads are "old" news within a couple of months, others have a longer life span.

I know this is asking for trouble, but it's up to the poster to read the thread and see just how old it is. Generally, if something is deemed a necropost, it will be pointed out and closed, in which case the poster can simply start another thread. This tends to happen if the reply doesn't really ask a question, but more answering one to a dead thread. If however the 'necropost' brings about the discussion again, or continues a thread, then it's left alone. An example of that was one not that long ago that was necro'd from a year or so ago, but by the time I saw it, there were 8 - 10 new replies added and the discussion was going strong. So it was left.

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Also i think alot of guides are outdated and when people try make them more up-to-date its shut down.

Although I have no doubt you will not read this as you clearly can't read anything else sent do you, but just so everyone else doesn't get the wrong idea about this guys post, is that he was ASKED to post his guide in the Library section. In fact, there's a copy of the email I sent out to him here: http://wowmb.net/forums/f17/28087-new_guide_shut_down_please_read/#post204911

I've given up trying to help you Curseofthe. To be perfectly honest, you help me understand where the term "learn2read" came from...

Ok... that's all the replies from "the thread". Which I find ironic had to be closed LOL. This one is open and available for feedback, replies, comments, what have you. Now I'm going to go ice my fingers, because MY GOD I haven't typed that much in a long time LOL!!

Fun fact - that is all 6,255 words!!

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September 06, 2008, 01:11 AM	#2 (permalink)
El Tanakh Character Info Garii 80 Tauren Druid Cho'gall US PvP Profile: Blizzard Armory	Re: The 'Closed Threads' Thread Reply! OMG!!! PWNED O.o So Akasha, if i promise to be your loyal servant all eternity, can i use this forums without reading that? I think it would be totally worth it. By the way, how's spore? __________________ Computer games dont affect kids... If Pacman affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music

September 06, 2008, 01:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
HCLars Character Info Antipathy 80 Undead Warlock Magtheridon US PvP Guild: Axis Of Evil	Re: The 'Closed Threads' Thread Reply! Did you count direct quotes in your word count?

September 06, 2008, 01:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
Lessic Character Info Lessic 80 Undead Warlock Darkspear US PvP Guild: Tarren Mill Deathguard Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15	Re: The 'Closed Threads' Thread Reply! Basically this should be standard reading before being able to create an account on the forum lol Read... read again... got it... yes there will be a test on this lol

September 06, 2008, 01:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
Malevevely Character Info Malevevely 70 Undead Warlock KJ US PvP	Re: The 'Closed Threads' Thread Reply! Malevevely is crit by a wall of text :P In all seriousness this is one of the best run forums around. It is the only wow forum I have come across that has admins explaining their actions. Great job and keep it up. The vets and countless other locks love this site and will always stand behind you.

September 06, 2008, 02:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
Smok	Re: The 'Closed Threads' Thread Reply! Um, you say: Usually the biggest culprit. But going back as far as June this year, there have been two* thread closures for talent builds.* But I count 6...

September 06, 2008, 02:48 AM	#7 (permalink)
Vmaster Character Info Vmaster 80 Undead Warlock Dragonmaw US PvP Guild: Sparta Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55	Re: The 'Closed Threads' Thread Reply! /applause at Akasha by the way: Emo..rofl __________________ Better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not

September 06, 2008, 03:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
El Tanakh Character Info Garii 80 Tauren Druid Cho'gall US PvP Profile: Blizzard Armory	Re: The 'Closed Threads' Thread Reply! It might be a totalitarian action, but can't we just close/delete all the "Close Threads". This is getting kind of absurd. __________________ Computer games dont affect kids... If Pacman affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music

September 06, 2008, 03:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
Marsyx Character Info Xyram 80 Night Elf Druid Dragonblight US PvE Guild: TRC Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/56/15	Re: The 'Closed Threads' Thread Reply! Yay! Great response, Akasha. Clear, concise, thoughtful, and highly appropriate (not to mention mature and calm). Personally I have found this forum to be the best one I have ever visited. It contains up-to-date information (on most topics), is friendly, and is very fun to read. I just hope that you realize there are lots of us out here that are working to help you better this project. CUDOS!