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November 29, 2008, 08:04 PM
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Riink 80 Gnome Warlock Farstriders US RP PvE Guild: Nightsong Moon Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Low DPS in WotLK Heroics
This is a WWS of Heroics Utgarde Keep, and Halls of Stone. Im level 80, but in questing gear, and a few dungeon drops. (I didn't raid on this character in BC much, so I only had 3 T4 at the start of LK). I would appreciate any and all advice. I've been told my DPS is lower than someone level 70 in T4. I am currently 0/13/58. Boss Name: Utgarde Keep & Halls of Stone Report: Wow Web Stats Armory Link: The World of Warcraft Armory Group Make-up: Feral Druid, Shadow Priest, Holy Priest, Ret Pally, Me. Information: I know that my gear is low, and thats something that I can fix with runs, badges, rep etc... I would really like to know if I am doing anything wrong mechanics wise. Any and all advice would be appreciated. My inital cast sequence is Corruption > Curse of Agony > Immolate > Chaos Bolt > Inncerate spam until I need to refresh dots, or CB is off cool down. I try to use Conflag, but I usually dont get it as Immolate ends up dropping off while Im casting something else. Last edited by Riink; November 29, 2008 at 08:08 PM.. |
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November 29, 2008, 08:41 PM
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Re: Low DPS in WotLK Heroics
I can't give much constructive criticism, but I can tell you one thing. The person who told you that your dps is lower than someone in level 70 T4 is bull. True, you were 4th out of the 5 man group, but you weren't far behind #3 or even that far behind #2. DPS numbers from The Burning Crusade just aren't the same as they are in Wrath of the Lich King. |
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November 29, 2008, 10:05 PM
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Re: Low DPS in WotLK Heroics
Your time in was very low. this may be a lag issue or it may reflect on your spell rotation. Noticing that Rain of Fire was your number 2 damage producer I would guess that you might want to work on the spell rotation. Rain of Fire should not preceed Seed of Corruption unless mobs are particularly vulnerable to fire or immune to shadow. Looking at the totals for your other spells would lead me to believe that you're not getting the most out of your spell rotation. Look around here in the Den for optimal rotations for your destro spec. I didn't dig down in the charts too much, but a lot of DPS time is lost on trash mobs. Simplify your spell rotation for trash and hit it fast...typically either shadow bolt or incinerate..or your favorite AOE spell. Keep in mind that the targeting time for Rain of Fire counts against your DPS time and your overall damage. |
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November 29, 2008, 11:24 PM
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Jesterlock 80 Gnome Warlock Quel'Thalas Euro PvE Guild: The Order of Azeroth Talent Spec: 3/15/53 |
Re: Low DPS in WotLK Heroics
From my experience in the about 50 heroix i did in the last week: When pulling larger packs (3-4+) put Corr and Curse of Agony on a mob, then start RoF-ing That gives time for the tank to get aggro, and also gives a chance for molten core to proc. For packs that stay alive for a short time (50k HP elites) do Corr, Curse of Agony, RoF and you should have time to squiz a shadowfury at the end.(you can hit shadowfury button and aim the green circle while channeling RoF) If they have more HP, Corr, Curse of Agony, RoF, Shadowfury when RoF ends(maybe molten core procs  , RoF again till dead. Ofcourse make sure you stop AoE-ing when only 1 mob remains, if he has more HP than the others, so you can start nuking him with direct damage spells.Ofc all that while having your imp on defensive stance, so he starts firing as well. For mobs with less than 1k HP (yeah there's alot of those in stratholme for example) Just shadowfury/shadowflame. Just to explain, i find RoF better than SoC. RoF crits for double damage, whereas SoC crits for 50% more only, since devastation applies only to destruction spells. RoF is much easier to manage aggro wise, if you get high threat while RoF-ing, you can stop. If SoC booms on mobs that tank didn't get enough aggro on, you're dead. |
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November 30, 2008, 02:28 AM
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Re: Low DPS in WotLK Heroics
Here's a question to ask yourself. Do your DoTs run their full duration on the target? Or does it die within 5 seconds of pulling? |
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November 30, 2008, 04:52 AM
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Riink 80 Gnome Warlock Farstriders US RP PvE Guild: Nightsong Moon Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Low DPS in WotLK Heroics
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November 30, 2008, 07:43 AM
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Mahri 80 Gnome Warlock Muradin US PvE Guild: is being repressed Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/31/40 |
Re: Low DPS in WotLK Heroics
I dunno.. but from what I saw on the logs - you do have a different rotation than what I usually have. (now I am demospecced, but in general and for raiding I have been fire destro) For example: on large aoe pull what I do is: Shadowfury (it its so many mobs it will normally proc MC) then RoF. If the mobs have high hitpoints I can trow in a SoC or 2 before I do Shadoefury. (its risky, and works best with a warrior tank that knows also what YOU are doing lol) On sigle targets I use Immo-corr-incinerate-cb-conflag. And if corr wear off I wont worry about it, ideally it can be put on X, not skull, only reason to use it, is to prov MC. The global cooldown makes it less damage to apply/reapply sometimes than it is to put another incinerate out. For example on the last bossfight :( you should measure on bossfights only as the trash isnt that important it will die anyways) Fight lasted 2''11. you had only 1 chaos bolt off (could have squeazed in more of those), and you kept agony up, - an incinerate crit or maybe even a hit would be more damage vs that single GCD it takes for to cast agony, I suspect immolate wasnt up all the time, and that is a dot that needs to be up. You har RoF ticking on 1 mob. And you did not use conflag, that would have let you have another 3 incinerates pretty quick off (or 2 incinerates and a cb) I also noticed some mitigation, dont know why if it is low hitrating or boss resists. If it iwas bossrestist CB is a winner. I find lock dps kinda complicated to maximize, some are situational dependent and yea, it takes practise. For my self I have found the wwstats to be super-useful. I can compare infight time with other simular to me, and also see if I miss on rotations etc. And its always room for improvements. For everyone I think. But keep up :D Locks are tons of fun. Edited typos. Last edited by Mahri; November 30, 2008 at 07:53 AM.. |
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November 30, 2008, 02:36 PM
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Re: Low DPS in WotLK Heroics
the heroics I have ran, I usually put up Corr Curse of Agony on a couple targets then use shadowflame. then start using RoF until I am getting close to pulling threat. then I'll use shadowflurry and hold for tank to get more aggro. Now if there are more than 3 mobs in the pull I'll usally do seed instead of RoF. Now I know I haven't seen many people talk about shadowflame, but I find it nice to use on trash, since it hits the mobs for a decent amount and then puts a dot on them. its also an instant cast. |
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November 30, 2008, 03:05 PM
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Satalitetv 80 Blood Elf Warlock Ravencrest US PvE Guild: Relic Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/15/54 |
Re: Low DPS in WotLK Heroics
First, I'm not destro anymore, I'm affliction now, so any thing I say is based on theory and level 70 raid experience. one thing that i found to really help me in destro is to cast that first CB before that first incinerate. that way, you don't waste a charge of backdraft on CB (CB doesn't get as much out of backdraft because of its short cast time, while incinerate goes from a 2.2 cast time to 1.6 if i remember correctly, with little haste, that is). When I was 70 this increased my dps by about 50-100, so it works. Also, are you only using conflagrate when immolate has about 3 secs left? If you aren't, do that, as you both get the full duration of immolate, and the benefit from F&B. Also, make sure you're not cutting Curse of Agony and Corr up early, only refresh them when they do their last tick. If you don't have DOTimer, get it, it's needed for pretty much any lock now. Oh, and if you don't have anyone else in the group that can do a CoE like effect (which you didn't in this case), use CoE. You'll have a bit of a decrease in personal dps, but the group's dps will go up a good bit, so it's worth it. If you happen to have a primarily melee group (when you're the only caster), and you have no one that can do a CoR-like effect, then use CoR. hope this helped, and good luck |
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December 04, 2008, 04:25 PM
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Humulos 70 Undead Warlock Terokkar US PvE Guild: Band of the Hawk Talent Spec: 54/2/5 |
Re: Low DPS in WotLK Heroics
My lock is level 72, almost all demo with some in destro, full Kara epics but nothing but Kara epics. And I've been getting about 1100-1200 dps single target. And even higher on AoE pulls.After seeing people on here showing their dps with other specs, I gotta say that Demo seems to be the highest dps. I tried afflic again on a test dummy, with dps spec, and its dps was bad compared to demo. Especially considering that you get like 10% bonus crit as demo. Put up Immolate and CoE. Then just spam SB. Pop Meta now and then for atleast a 700 dps increase from immo aura. |
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