[ColdFyre]

While my stats arn't horrible... they certainly arn't the best either. However, I'm just not used to being so damned low on the damage meters. I'm hopeing I can get some advice from the guru's here.

Stats:
* Bonus Damage:1532
* Hit Rating: 310
* Crit Chance: 17.88%
* Haste Rating: 241

My current armory profile and talents

25 Naxx WWS(as affliction ... with a talent build something like thisbut I don't remember exactly what it was)

25 man Sartharion and 2 drakes WWS
I did this one with mostly aff, and then during a break, I was so pissed about my dps, I went and respec'd to my current talent tree.

Anyhow... I don't see how someone who has just a few more pieces of gear than I do can out DPS me by TWICE as much. (another loc got 4.2k on Patchwerk where I was BARELY able to squeek by 2k)

as affliction, my rotation was SB, UA, Immolate, Curse of Agony, Corruption, Siphon Life, SB or incini if MC was still up.

right now, as dest, I'm doing Trinket, Curse of Agony, Corr, Chaos Bolt, Immo, Incinerate then refresh dots.

Please forgive my ignorance with this plea for help.. I'm just frustrated as all get out.

[franky]

your specc is horrible, if you read up on warlocks in Wrath of the Lich King then you will know that there are atm 3 popular speccs that are believed to bring the most dps, respecc to one of those and then get your weapon, boots and legs enchanted, just by doing that your dps should increase significantly. (be sure to have the right glyphs for the specc aswell as getting the right rotation)

And by looking at your gear its safe to say that you can get better items from the badge vendor, even some heroics got better stuff for you, like the wand from AN.

[Effenaye]

Not sure what your rotation as affliction was. But you didnt mention Haunt.

Try SB, Haunt, Corruption, UA, Immo, Agony, SL...

SB fillers and try to keep these dots up.

The SB then Haunt puts a double stack of Shadow Embrace on the mob (for 10% more damage), however that other warlock may have got that effect (due to the bug that will be fixed soon).

Haunt refreshes will keep up corruption. This will let you throw a few more SBs.

Also not being hit capped may have really wrecked your rotation.
Most likely the other warlock spent cash on the flasks too.

This combination of factors can make a huge difference.

edit: I just looked at your armory.

You are missing 2 gems in hood, and dont have a glyph for it either.
No glyph for shoulders.
No spellthread for pants.
No enchant for feet, weapon, chest, or back.
No belt buckle.

Surprising that you have been in Naxx a few times (at least) with that lack of preparation.

[ColdFyre]

I wouldn't go so far as to call it horrible... (tho I admit I did screw up and not take demonic power... respecing in a hurry out of frustration isn't a good thing :P )
And thanks for reminding me about the enchants... keep forgetting about those for some reason.

edit... forgot to mention that I tried my current (crappy non-happy imp) spec on a boss dummy.
Got 1459 w/o imp and 1600 with the imp..

*** Information added 32 Minutes and 44 Seconds later... ***

Originally Posted by Effenaye

Not sure what your rotation as affliction was. But you didnt mention Haunt.

Try SB, Haunt, Corruption, UA, Immo, Agony, SL...

forgot haunt in my original post... I was doing it.

Originally Posted by Effenaye

Also not being hit capped may have really wrecked your rotation.
Most likely the other warlock spent cash on the flasks too.

I have some other gear that gets my +damage up a lil bit, but it takes a big chunk of hit out. I thought 310 was slightly above avg... I'll see about getting some more.

Originally Posted by Effenaye

You are missing 2 gems in hood, {just got some off the ah)
and dont have a glyph for it either. {incoming}
No glyph for shoulders.{incoming}
No spellthread for pants.{incoming, was hoping to do it myself, but ran outta mats}
No enchant for feet, weapon, chest, or back.{incoming}
No belt buckle.{so that's why my pants keep falling down!}

I hope to rectify these in the next day and post again with some different results.

Honestly, with my current +damage and crit, I think I'd be better off going back to affliction. What do you think?

[Jaykzo]

If 1532 spell damage is what you have without fel armor on, then you really should have had no problem at all sustaining 2k+ dps as affliction. I don't know much about raiding, but I just hit 1500 spellpower unbuffed and have been putting out 2k dps on the heroic dummy just fine.

I'd reccomend taking Incinerate out of your rotation, even with MC I personally have never seen it consistently outperform my shadowbolt. And in your case, I'd reccommend taking some Snapper Extreme along with you to raids, to give you an extra +40 hit rating without sacrificing any gear. Other than that, use the rotation that Effen mentioned.

[Shadoe]

Originally Posted by ColdFyre

And thanks for reminding me about the enchants... keep forgetting about those for some reason.

How is this possible? As Effenay said... it is surprising a raid lead even let you step foot in Naxx without being chanted and gemmed. That alone will help your DPS by leaps and bounds.

[wisredz]

As said above, no enchants mean you don't get to step in a raid in my guild. Even if you're in blues you have to enchant your stuff for best performance. If you have 1.5k sp without Fel Armor that's not so bad. You should have no problem maintaining at least 3k dps on 25 patchwerk. 310 hit rating is more than enough if you are with the correct group. Is there a boomkin in the raid? Is there a Spriest in the raid? The presence of either of these is enough to for you to be hitcapped.

Go to the training dummies and practice the rotation as long as you can. It takes some getting used to but as soon as you as are in total control of it, you'll find that you're doing great DPS.

Good luck

[XavronMG]

I run 57/14/0 in Naxx-10, 1600 self-buffed with Fel Armor (which is about 2000-2100 damage when raid buffed, including flasks, potions, food buffs, and raid buffs), around 330 spell hit, and 10% crit. My DPS on bosses varies widely.

The World of Warcraft Armory

1940 on a failed Thaddius attempt
2400 on Gluth (due to SoC spam)
1660 on Grobbulus (but still 2nd place)
2700 on Patchwerk

So there's definite DPS capability in affliction, even without Bane / Cataclysm / ISB. I'm a bit of a rebel when it comes to not putting any points at all in Destruction.

My spell rotation is centered around casting Haunt every 8-10 seconds. So a typical opening rotation would be:

Curse (usually CoE)
Corruption, Siphon Life, Haunt
UA, Immolate, SBolt

After that, Haunt gets re-cast as a priority, and Shadow Bolts only get cast as a filler (or when Necrosis announced a Shadow Trance). Plus I'm inserting Life Taps about every other Haunt to keep my mana above 50%. And below 25% health, I'm making sure that Corruption, Haunt and Siphon Life are on the target while I use Drain Soul.

Hell of a lot of work keeping all those DoTs up and running on the target, but interesting and keeps me awake.

[levinho]

Forget this rotation nonsense. Looking at your patchwerk parse (which should be your highest possible dps) you cast haunt 7 times in a 3 min 40 sec fight. Haunt has an 8 sec cd meaning you could get as many as 27 casts in with refreshing immediately on cd. I usually do about 22 or so considering cast time and rotation (we kill him a little quicker as well.) I find that affliction isn't so much a timer spec anymore but a priority spec. Meaning that once things start expiring you have to know which spells to prioritize first. I hardly ever watch timers. I hate them frankly. I watch debuffs and wait for things to fall off. Once you've done it enough it becomes more or less second nature to know which spell to cast next. Anyhow, you need to make haunt your 1st priority. Followed by renewing your dots. I find renewing them in pairs means that I can simplify things a little bit (glyph of Curse of Agony makes it almost as long as sl). Thus Curse of Agony and sl get cast back to back and ua and immolate get cast back to back. Corruption never drops because haunt is always refreshed immediately. Drain Soul execute is also hugely important. You should do all your filler with drainsoul once the 25% mark is reached. I usually get all my dots refreshed right before reaching that point. Then I refresh haunt and hit drainsoul. Then i wait for haunt to come off cd. I only refresh things for the drainsoul bonus at that point. Haunt is most important because it and shadow embrace effect drainsoul.

I think affliction is a good choice if you can manage it. The destro spec you had on armory didn't look ideal. I found for deep destro a 20/51 spec was best pve. However, 4x/3x or 3x/4x (x is either a 1 or 0) spec is much easier to maintain at the moment although deep destro is getting some buffs next patch. It is of course Direct Damage oriented so hit capping is a must for those specs. I suppose the best entry level raid spec for ease of rotation is going to be 41/30 with the crit from demo and fel synergy as the last point. All you do is Curse of Agony immolate and spam incinerate.