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January 20, 2009, 03:04 PM
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Dirsan 80 Gnome Warlock Khadgar US PvE Guild: Beyond Thundergnome Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 2/13/56 |
Deep Destruction - Post 3.0.8 Rotation and DPS Discussion
So, after playing around quite a bit on the PTR, I was thinking of this starting rotation: Immo>Curse of Agony>Conflag>CB>Inc>Inc>Inc>Conflag. After this initial rotation, you'll have to recast immolate again during backdraft. The reason I'm putting Curse of Agony after Immo is that little lag you get after putting up immo where you can't conflag. I always feel like I'm wasting half a second just sitting there, so I threw Curse of Agony in there. I didn't really see any change in DPS. I guess the only real change I would see would be if Curse of Agony procced Molten Core immediately. Although I'll prolly be on CoE duty tonight, I'm very excited for Naxx to see what kind of a DPS increase this will be. I'll be running 2/13/56. On the PTR, I was seeing about a 10% increase, using Curse of Agony, conflag and immo glyphs. Were others on PTR using similar rotations? The one thing I was having a problem with when I first started practicing on the dummies was watching for the conflag cooldown to come up, instead of just waiting til 3 seconds or so. I kept forgetting. 
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January 20, 2009, 03:20 PM
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re: Deep Destruction - Post 3.0.8 Rotation and DPS Discussion
I've noticed that dead spot after Immolate, too. "You can't do that yet." Your rotation may be good, except that I think it's probably more important to get MC up on Immolate now. You can address it though, and probably lose about 1/2 a second altogether: Curse of Agony, Immolate, Corruption, Conflag, Chaos Bolt, Incin x3, Conflag, etc. If your timing works out, I believe you'll end up refreshing Curse of Agony following Immolate's refreshment, so then you drop Corruption from the next cycle, as it's only filler and worth .5 seconds would be my guess. Edit: Shadowfury, if so specced, could also function as a filler there, as it may in fact be higher DPCT than Corruption in this build. Last edited by Tragik; January 20, 2009 at 03:24 PM.. |
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January 20, 2009, 04:00 PM
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Feelnopain 70 Undead Warlock Uldum US PvE Guild: Skeleton Crew Profile: Blizzard Armory |
re: Deep Destruction - Post 3.0.8 Rotation and DPS Discussion
I've never used conflag/backdraft before. Does it stack with Bloodlust? |
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January 20, 2009, 04:07 PM
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Dirsan 80 Gnome Warlock Khadgar US PvE Guild: Beyond Thundergnome Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 2/13/56 |
re: Deep Destruction - Post 3.0.8 Rotation and DPS Discussion
Sounds good, I'll give Curse of Agony a try first. I didn't incorporate corruption into the rotation, but I will definitely do that, and obviously when I'm on CoE duty too. Ohhhh, I totally forgot about shadowfury, I've never specced into it. Maybe I'll respec before the raid and try it out. I should have a WWS report tonight, so it'll be interesting to analyze it after the raid and especially on Patch, which we'll be doing tonight. *** Information added 1 Minutes and 48 Seconds later... *** Quote:
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January 20, 2009, 04:26 PM
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Kharza 80 Human Warlock The Forgotten Coast US PvP Guild: Malum Factum Talent Spec: 0/55/16 |
re: Deep Destruction - Post 3.0.8 Rotation and DPS Discussion
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January 20, 2009, 04:39 PM
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Hellavator 80 Human Warlock Tichondrius US PvP Guild: Genisis Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
re: Deep Destruction - Post 3.0.8 Rotation and DPS Discussion
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January 20, 2009, 04:56 PM
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Dirsan 80 Gnome Warlock Khadgar US PvE Guild: Beyond Thundergnome Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 2/13/56 |
re: Deep Destruction - Post 3.0.8 Rotation and DPS Discussion
Just click on my build on my profile, it's actually not 0/41/30 anymore, I just haven't changed my Den profile. The only thing I'll prolly change is throwing a point into Shadowfury at Tragik's suggestion. |
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January 20, 2009, 04:59 PM
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re: Deep Destruction - Post 3.0.8 Rotation and DPS Discussion
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There are "maximum" builds utilizing Backdraft and Chaos Bolt that give up utility talents like destructive reach and shadowfury for purer damage talents, like Imp Curse of Agony. Some builds stress the pet more via unholy power and 1 less talent point in Fire and Brimstone. Personally, I go with this: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft The goal of the build is to utilize Curse of Agony to Proc Molten Core then applying Immolate and utilize Chaos Bolt and Incinerate in conjunction with Conflag to proc 30% less casting time on your destruction spells (Backdraft). Backdraft is now becoming 30% flat haste (1% = 33 Haste rating, 30% = 990 haste rating from a talent and spell on a 10 second CD) across everything, your Global Cooldown, your Drains, and your Channelled Rain of Fire. Immolate will no longer be eaten when you use conflag, which makes this build even more appealing, as immolate, Glyphed and with Fire and Brimstone and 2000 spell power ticks for around 1500 every 3 seconds. The old build had a bug that since Immolate HAD to be refreshed following each Conflag, Immolate would clip the GCD under the effects of Backdraft, in essence making it a 1.9 second cast and destroying most of the benefit of the backdraft. That is now remedied since the GCD will scale with the Backdraft buff. There remains one bug, however, that for some unknown reason, you can't immediately Conflag until immolate ticks. This is the dead time I was talking about. I suggested altering the rotation from: Immolate > Curse of Agony > Conflag (the Curse of Agony enabled the tick to get off, but the immolate lost the Molten Core proc) to Curse of Agony > Immolate > Corruption > Conflag (and hopefully get the benefit of Molten core on your Immolate). Still another variant (if you have Shadowfury) would be: Curse of Agony > Immolate > Shadowfury > Conflag (Shadowfury probably has a higher DPCT as it can benefit from Ruin).... I am wondering if Shadowfury is bugged with Molten Core as well, even just on one mob, Shadowfury seems to have an EXTREMELY high chance of proccing Molten Core. |
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January 20, 2009, 05:27 PM
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Kharza 80 Human Warlock The Forgotten Coast US PvP Guild: Malum Factum Talent Spec: 0/55/16 |
re: Deep Destruction - Post 3.0.8 Rotation and DPS Discussion
I also answered my own question (knew I remembered some reason to keep corruption in the rotation).. Straight from EJ Quote:
Curse of Agony -> Immo -> Corr -> Conflag -> CB -> Incin X ? (whatever works for your haste) -> Conflag again Just keep DoTs running and Chaos Bolt and Conflag on cooldown. So eager to try this new patch out tonight on live. |
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January 20, 2009, 05:32 PM
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re: Deep Destruction - Post 3.0.8 Rotation and DPS Discussion
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I'm not kidding. I didn't want to say anything, because we don't need anything negative right now. |
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