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January 21, 2009, 05:41 AM
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I need help with my DPS - Thread #2 (Post Patch 3.0.8)
With patch 3.0.8 out, it's time to kick off a new thread. A generic thread that all general DPS questions can be posted to. For more specific questions, you're own thread is no problem. But a lot of them are based around the "I've got no idea what's wrong with my DPS, please help" type questions, which really, we don't need a new thread each time. So, if you need help with your DPS, aren't sure why you're not doing as much as you'd like, then please post a reply to this thread. Hopefully, with all the questions and answers consolidated to once place, you might all be able to help each other.  Previous threads: Related threads: Some threads you might want to read to see if they are affecting your DPS.
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January 21, 2009, 06:26 AM
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Re: I need help with my DPS - Thread #2 (Post Patch 3.0.8)
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I would suggest that you never use corruption since you are deep destro and use Curse of Agony instead b/c, corr ticks every 3sec and Curse of Agony every 2sec and is on the mob longer, thus molten core will have more chances to proc. If you still want to cast corr+Curse of Agony think about that in the time you cast it + the cooldown I would get an incinerate off that will do more damage then corr. |
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January 21, 2009, 06:56 AM
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Re: I need help with my DPS - Thread #2 (Post Patch 3.0.8)
After having finally hit 80 and getting ready to step into some heroics and 10 mans, I'm starting to toy around with destro now. Especially with an eye towards eventually having dual-spec actually in the game, I'd like to toy with something that has 'lots' of burst damage and/or aoe. ..I've probably been destro for all of 30 minutes in my warlocks life. :/. So far I've come up with: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft How far off am I? I'm a little apprehensive about the points in Aff, and putting them in Corr instead of Curse of Agony, but my reasoning is that extra crit to SoC. I'm thinking about destructive reach, but I'm not sure it's necessary. Also, with or without this spec.. what kind of rotation am I looking at? If someone could walk me through it and talk to me like I'm 8 years old, this talent here is why we cast this spell before that spell, that sort of thing.. That'd be great. Last edited by mcgee84; January 21, 2009 at 06:59 AM.. |
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January 21, 2009, 09:43 AM
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Re: I need help with my DPS - Thread #2 (Post Patch 3.0.8)
Hey McGee, Some reading for you: Spec recommendations for all - The Warlocks Den Forums Outline of current most popular raid specs - The Warlocks Den Forums Bear in mind that backdraft and some glyphs are changed as of today making some older justifications invalid. TLDR: play the way you want to, know your talent strengths, know where your damage is coming from, buff those places. On with the show ... I think the key to any good spec is understanding the underpinnings of the spec. What key talents/spells make it all come together in one glorious demonic explosion. One of the things about deep destro is that it's fire-centric. Emberstorm is basically the deciding factor there, so every point you've got in a shadow spell is (imho) a point wasted on a deep destro spec. Also, the more spells you talent up for "standard" rotation casting, the harder you'll struggle to making the best use of all of those points. Affliction is the classic example where exemplary play doesn't always reflect exemplary damage output. I suppose I could've said "know your strengths"  There are many destro specs around, but your key talents for deep destro (in order of appearance): * Molten Core * Demonic Power * Ruin/Devastation * Emberstorm * Conflag/Backdraft * Backlash * Emp Imp * Chaos Bolt So a sort of raw base for deep destro would be 0/13/51: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Those extra 7 points can be placed where you fancy, depending on how you like to play, and likewise those 51 points can be jiggled around. That 1 point in soul leech, for example, is probably wasted there, better to fill soul lech up to 3/3 or move the point to somewhere you'd actually use it. Take the following with a pinch of salt, but I would: * Use Rain of Fire instead of SoC for your staple aoe. You can use Shadowfury to proc MC just before you cast Rain of Fire. * Glyph for Imp (more imp output), Conflag (no immolate consumption as of todaya) and either Immolate (less burst damage, but more tick damage) or CoAgony (longer run time) Some spell rules to follow then would be: * Keep CB on cooldown. Everytime it's off CD cast it like you would an incinerate. * Keep Curse of Agony and Immo up. Usual dot rules apply - don't let them clip. * Conflag when it's off cooldown, once at the start of immolate (for the extra burst) and once as it's in those 5s of immolate (for the extra crit if you have Fire & Brimstone). * Run with the imp out, just watch his positioning on some fights. Some whys: * Curse of Agony is up to proc Molten Core. If you're in the middle of a backdraft and Curse of Agony runs out with MC up, you've got time to reapply Curse of Agony. * Corruption ticks every 3s, Curse of Agony ticks every 2 and needs to be reapplied less, that's why we use Curse of Agony not Corruption (see post above yours). * A CB not on cooldown is a wasted talent point. As you know warlocks rarely have a guarenteed "rotation", we work more on spell priorities. But a basic set up rotation would be (for me): Curse of Agony > Immo > Conflag > CB > Inc (filler) > Conflag Now you're into priority territory. How many Incinerates can you get off before immo runs out? Conflag doesn't align precisely with immolate, so it'll be shifting around. Keep immo & Curse of Agony up while keeping conflag and CB (on cool)down, fill with incinerate! Roast marshmellows on the fiery corpse of your enemy. Fwiw with heroics, I recommend stacking a fair whack of haste (not difficult in wrath) and bringing lots of water. Against these melee guys, long cast times don't show up well on trash, especially, but a chunk of haste really narrows that gap. You will eat mana like it's going out of fashion, however, so putting points in soul leech for the longer fights might be worthwhile. G'lock (see what I did there?), - Eritha. |
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January 21, 2009, 10:01 AM
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Re: I need help with my DPS - Thread #2 (Post Patch 3.0.8)
Hey all, was wondering if it would be possible for a bit of advice. Basically my dps sucks. the other day i ran my first heroic (uk) and my dps was a mere 800 on average whereas my warlock friend who is better geared than me but only by 3/4 pieces was hitting 1.6kdps. i was switching between the 3rd and 4th spot of the 5 on the dps (according to recount) I am trying to get my gear up but i was wondering if maybe i was doing something majorly wrong with my rotations. If someone could look at my gear and rotation and make any suggestions that would be greatly appreciated. My armoury link is at the bottom of this post today i will also be changing the wrists for the acestral sinew wraps (wyrmrest rep) Im affliction specced and my usual rotation on bosses is haunt>corr>unstable aff>Curse of Agony>siphon life>spamm sb, refresh (hoping that corr has auto-refreshed) I did try re-ordering this based on my friends rotation which is effectively the same but with haunt after siphon life instead of at the beginning. http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...e&n=Bountyhunt |
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January 21, 2009, 04:26 PM
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Re: I need help with my DPS - Thread #2 (Post Patch 3.0.8)
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January 21, 2009, 04:41 PM
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Character Info
Billhelm 80 Human Warlock Blackhand US PvE Guild: Fallen Legends Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 56/0/15 |
Re: I need help with my DPS - Thread #2 (Post Patch 3.0.8)
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and from what i've read, shadowbolt first, followed by haunt is the optimal because it gets SE up on the mob which buffs everything else you use. I recommend checking out Fallenman's affliction raiding guide if you haven't already. I haven't gone back yet, but I might sometime, since 0/40/31 became a snoozefest for me after a while. currently trying deep destro which falls somewhere in between as far as difficulty, but also needs a bit of gear. |
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January 21, 2009, 05:23 PM
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Tianshaan 80 Human Warlock Terokkar US PvE Guild: Vae Victus Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: I need help with my DPS - Thread #2 (Post Patch 3.0.8)
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Corr is still lowest priority. Last edited by TiaMaster; January 21, 2009 at 05:27 PM.. |
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January 21, 2009, 05:52 PM
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Vitriolic 80 Undead Warlock Darkspear US PvP Guild: Delirium Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 54/0/17 |
Re: I need help with my DPS - Thread #2 (Post Patch 3.0.8)
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Haunt -> UA -> Immolate -> Curse of Agony -> Corruption -> Siphon Life Despite being a destruction ability, Immolate will actually do a pretty substantial amount of dps and times VERY well with Unstable Affliction (e.g., they will almost always be refreshed back-to-back). How was your dps on bosses compared to your friend? I ask because it is very hard to put up good dps on trash as affliction and, frankly, only boss fights matter. |
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January 21, 2009, 06:33 PM
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Re: I need help with my DPS - Thread #2 (Post Patch 3.0.8)
Firstly I'm nt wishing to respec and seem to be managing my dot timings. Recount listed me above my friend for dot uptime. I wil deff look at bringing starting with sb I do use immolate when my dots are up and I've hit a sb off. I also then use incinerate. The data I provided was just from bosses as I tend to do poorly on trash mobs also. (thanks to all those who help me) |
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