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January 22, 2009, 10:17 AM
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Dirsan 80 Gnome Warlock Khadgar US PvE Guild: Beyond Thundergnome Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 2/13/56 |
Demonology DPS and Rotation post 3.0.8
I'm still going to give 0/20/51 a try in Naxx tonight, but for the heck of it I specced into 0/41/30 before bed last night. I was never a big fan of this build, and preferred the imp version. What the heck is going on here? I used Felguard, immolate and imp glyph (didn't bother to take this one out for testing.) On the SW dummies I was consistently hitting 3100DPS, way better then deep destro on the dummies. I was self buffed with spellstone and fel armor only and my felguard was doing about 27% of my total damage. I know this is on dummies, but how are others doing with this build, post-patch? My rotation was Curse of Agony, corruption, Immo, Inc, Inc, Inc, refresh. I used Demonic Empowerment here and there, but not consistently. |
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January 22, 2009, 11:47 AM
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iamultimo 80 Orc Warlock Barthilas US PvP Guild: Serendipity Profile: Talent Spec: 0/56/15 |
Re: 0/41/30 Post 3.0.8
I got a massive dps increase and also go very well in all raiding and heroics. My gear sucks at the moment and im constantly out dpsing full epic locks with different specs. I was a felguard raider in BC and have always loved my felguard. I was thinking about changing to the imp version just to see the dps difference. Also you might find using the rotation CoE, Immolate, Corruption, inc, inc, inc, inc immolate, inc, corruption. Then the next rotation after the second immolate do two incs and then corruption. Then 3, etc. I also use a macro to cast CoE and send my pet in so i pop my Demonic Empowerment first then press macro. This isn't for everyone though cause everyone has their playing style 
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January 22, 2009, 11:50 AM
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Barclande 70 Undead Warlock Smolderthorn US PvP Guild: Writhen Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/21/40 |
Re: 0/41/30 Post 3.0.8
I was hitting about 4k DPS last night in 25Naxx with FG/Emberstorm. Love the spec. I went Affy a few times to give it a shot, but with the lag I can't make it compare to FG/Ember. No other locks in my guild raid currently, so I don't really have anything to compare it to though. I'll see if I can put a WWS up if they put it up soon. |
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January 22, 2009, 11:55 AM
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Re: 0/41/30 Post 3.0.8
Wow Web Stats WWS from last nights 25 man Naxx. I stayed 0/41/30 while the 2 other warlocks went deep destro. On boss fights they sometimes got ahead of me (first 2 fights were really messed up due to DCs) but overall I did better. If they get thier rotations down better I think they could pass me, but just like deep affliction the rotation is such that a great deal of movement (see Grobbulus) affects them more than it does me. I did goof on Grob, I started the fight with Felguard and should have had Imp out (Imp is much better at staying out of poison clouds). We are all geared pretty much the same so the differences were spec and who DCed when  . In my on defense here, I was doing very well on the meters until the last few fights...I'm on the East coast while a lot of the guild is Central or West...and an Aussie or 2, so dang it, I was getting tired. I would say that, and this is just my experience and observation, given current gear avaiability there are no truly superior specs. I think 0/41/30 and 0/30/41 are very well balanced and do well all around while deep destro and afflic take the honors in boss fights. As new gear comes available this may change, but right now I let the warlocks in my guild raid with any version of the specs (I'm the class leader until my good friend and fellow warlock Heathen gets settled in from his military PCS). Pick one that you feel good with and play it well. |
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January 22, 2009, 12:13 PM
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Drayke 80 Undead Warlock Daggerspine US PvP Guild: Sacred Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: 0/41/30 Post 3.0.8
For us, Naxxramas is a lag-fest. I'm not sure how the instance server is set up, whether it's shared by the battlegroup or datacenter, but weeknights, Naxx is unplayable, with 5-8 second instant casts, etc. That said, we made a run at it anyway to see if the "optimizations" Blizz put in made a difference (they did NOT) and got Patch + Grobb down before we called it quits. I went 0/41/30 and the other lock went 53/0/18. I'm finding my DPS in a lag-free environment tends to hover between 4400-5000 in 25-mans with optimal buffs. It still lags behind Affliction a bit, but our affliction lock saw a DPS *decrease* since the patch, albeit a minor one. Overall, 0/41/30 feels stronger than before to the tune of 200-400 DPS in full T7 with raid buffs. WWS supports this in my case, assuming the gains weren't due to non-buff-related changes such as packet optimization in a high-latency environment. |
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January 22, 2009, 12:30 PM
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Dirsan 80 Gnome Warlock Khadgar US PvE Guild: Beyond Thundergnome Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 2/13/56 |
Re: 0/41/30 Post 3.0.8
I only ran Naxx once before the patch with the felguard build, and my DPS was actually lower than when I ran the 0/40/31 Imp build. My gear isn't very good right now, so I think with the new felguard glyph, plus demon scaling being fixed, it may be a higher dps build than deep destro, at my gear level. I'll have to do some real testing to see though. |
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January 22, 2009, 04:34 PM
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Tianshaan 80 Human Warlock Terokkar US PvE Guild: Vae Victus Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: 0/41/30 Post 3.0.8
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I usually use the boss one, is why i am asking. I have same build, although sometimes Imp spec and sometimes FG. Hard to do armory reviews of my gear because I have different sets depending on when i logout. I can get 2500 easily with FG on the boss dummy. |
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January 22, 2009, 05:37 PM
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Drayke 80 Undead Warlock Daggerspine US PvP Guild: Sacred Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: 0/41/30 Post 3.0.8
The boss dummy can be misleading unless you're hitcapped, and most warlocks are not at the moment. It's better to use the level 80 dummy if you achieve your hitcap through raid buffs as it gives you a better idea of what your real DPS potential is. The boss dummy will give most warlocks 3% less DPS than they can realistically achieve in a raid, discounting + damage buffs. |
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January 22, 2009, 08:38 PM
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Tianshaan 80 Human Warlock Terokkar US PvE Guild: Vae Victus Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: 0/41/30 Post 3.0.8
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Do we want this thread to only be about DPS on level 80 mobs? Like a farming thread? 
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January 23, 2009, 01:54 AM
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Dirsan 80 Gnome Warlock Khadgar US PvE Guild: Beyond Thundergnome Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 2/13/56 |
Re: 0/41/30 Post 3.0.8
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Anyways, I used the 0/41/30 build tonight, and I did less DPS than with the deep destro build, sigh. I had no problems keeping the felguard alive, but he was a little underwhelming. I actually was late for the raid and forgot to combatlog it. I respecced back to destro, practiced for about an hour on the dummies, and think I have my rotation down, have to wait til Sunday to see. On another note, have you guys seen the dps that arcane mages are putting out now?? We have two who switched over from frostfire/frost and they are beating me pretty good. The spec has crazy burst damage, is highly mobile, and neither of them seem to have mana issues. Both of their dps went up by about 15-20% on bosses. With their increased DPS we were able to get 4 horsemen down tonight, a guild first! Only 10-man version, but we were pretty happy. |
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