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April 27, 2009, 11:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mordru Character Info Mordru 80 Gnome Warlock Alexstrasza US PvE Guild: Dragon Army Profile: Talent Spec: 0/52/17	Number of Shadow Bolts Too Low I was in a pug last night (which was horrible) and another warlock with the same spec, similar haste(he has 389 to my 301), but worse gear was out DPSing me. I analyzed the WWS report and he was getting more shadow bolts than I. I use DoTimer. I refresh haunt when it goes on CD. I refresh the other Dots when they fade at the next opportunity. I use SB as a filler. I am always casting something (so I won't wait for a DoT to fade). With all this said, I am still only casting about 1/2 the SBs. How is this possible? Is it a distance thing? Can I attribute to haste difference? Am I not pressing the key at the right time? Has anyone had this problem and found a solution? WWS for Loatheb (about the best one I could find in this mess). Compare Bulch to Mordru, especially the number of SB and DS: Wow Web Stats. Mordru Armory: The World of Warcraft Armory. Bulch Armory: The World of Warcraft Armory.

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April 27, 2009, 11:32 AM	#2 (permalink)
Nymphet	Re: Number of Shadow Bolts Too Low I just spoke to a GM in game about this issue and it seems to be happening at random, the GM said that my shadow bolt was casting at a 3 seconds even with bane and haste rating, it should have been around 2 seconds. He told me to go report it on the bug fix forum at worldofwarcraft.com and i did, don't know if anything will be done or not. __________________ Locks Do It Deadly!

April 27, 2009, 11:35 AM	#3 (permalink)
Ciboire Character Info Ciboire 70 Orc Warlock Gorganash US PvP Guild: Horde Nation Talent Spec: 53/13/5	Re: Number of Shadow Bolts Too Low If I look at your crit, the percentage is too low. This mean you didn't have the Fungal Creep buff often enough. 26% crit on Loatheb is what I have without the buff. In addition to this, your pet damage difference is 40k, something you should look at. Ask the other warlock what is his priority cast order. i.e.: shadowbolt + haunt when you have the buff, refreshing dots when he don't.

April 27, 2009, 11:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
Rutiene Character Info Luxury 80 Blood Elf Warlock Deathwing US PvP Guild: Addiction Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 54/0/17	Re: Number of Shadow Bolts Too Low 3s shadowbolts will have alot to do with it. Do you not use Quartz? It should show if you're not getting the correct cast time. However, I would also advise checking out your fps and latency, this has an ginormous impact. On my laptop, I get about 1-3fps, on my desktop I get around 30fps. The difference in my dps ranges from 1k-2k depending on the fight. Additionally, you want to be very aware of the fight and placement. Try and run as LITTLE as possible. We're a 'mobile' spec, so people often forget that Shadowbolts can make or break your dps, which means learning to stand still. __________________ WWS: How To Analyze

April 27, 2009, 11:42 AM	#5 (permalink)
Garagos Character Info Garagos 80 Undead Warlock Laughing Skull US PvP Guild: Drums of War Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55	Re: Number of Shadow Bolts Too Low Another possibility may just be luck. Is it possible he got a lot of lucky Nightfall procs where you didn't? That could account for him getting off more shadowbolts. I checked his armory and he doesn't have the Corruption glyph so i wouldn't think he should have that many more than you, but we all know how the RNG is sometimes.

April 27, 2009, 11:53 AM

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Mordru

Character Info
Mordru
80 Gnome Warlock
Alexstrasza US PvE
Guild: Dragon Army
Profile:
Talent Spec: 0/52/17

Re: Number of Shadow Bolts Too Low

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Originally Posted by Ciboire

If I look at your crit, the percentage is too low. This mean you didn't have the Fungal Creep buff often enough. 26% crit on Loatheb is what I have without the buff. In addition to this, your pet damage difference is 40k, something you should look at.

Ask the other warlock what is his priority cast order. i.e.: shadowbolt + haunt when you have the buff, refreshing dots when he don't.

Yeah, wasnt the best fight to look at perhaps. I joined them on Heigan. So I had Heigan, Loatheb, many failed saph and one successful saph (but I died due inept decursing), and a few failed KTs.

I had the wrong life tap macro (one i use for sarth to bring the pet to me when I life tap) and did not realize my pet was not attacking for most of this fight. Also, my guild usually huddles and dk brings the spores to us and a melee kills them. This group was doing it different, so I missed out on the crit buff.

I was not worried about the crit or the pet, just the number of SBs really. I did not know the # was so different until I analyzed the report.
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Originally Posted by Rutiene

3s shadowbolts will have alot to do with it. Do you not use Quartz? It should show if you're not getting the correct cast time. However, I would also advise checking out your fps and latency, this has an ginormous impact. On my laptop, I get about 1-3fps, on my desktop I get around 30fps. The difference in my dps ranges from 1k-2k depending on the fight.

Additionally, you want to be very aware of the fight and placement. Try and run as LITTLE as possible. We're a 'mobile' spec, so people often forget that Shadowbolts can make or break your dps, which means learning to stand still.

I haven't used quartz in a while, I use NUI, which has a cast bar, but it is smaller than the one I had using quartz. Perhaps I should use that again. Is there a setting that you use to show if I am getting the correct cast time or does it just show the cast time (I have not used it in 6 months).

As far as fps, I am on my desktop where I usually get in the 20s fps. I also chose Loatheb because you dont have to move as much (I didn't move at all although with this PUG I guess I needed to chase spores).

April 27, 2009, 12:14 PM

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Rutiene

Character Info
Luxury
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Deathwing US PvP
Guild: Addiction
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 54/0/17

Re: Number of Shadow Bolts Too Low

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Is there a setting that you use to show if I am getting the correct cast time or does it just show the cast time (I have not used it in 6 months).

Quartz uses a function which recalls the cast time of the spell directly from the server. So it'll always show the actual cast time, not what it 'should' via your stats as that would take up too much processing memory.

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April 27, 2009, 12:15 PM

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Vazhkatsi

Character Info
Vazhkatsi
70 Gnome Warlock
Dalaran US PvE
Guild: Phoenix
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/21/40

Re: Number of Shadow Bolts Too Low

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Originally Posted by Mordru

I refresh the other Dots when they fade at the next opportunity. I use SB as a filler. I am always casting something (so I won't wait for a DoT to fade).

when you say you don't wait for a dot to fade do you mean you clip them slightly?
the only rule i follow in affliction to a T is Never clip DOTs, wait til its ended, and if its got 1 second til its end, cast a SB, then refresh it late. my dps used to be decent, but i was always clipping dots, but now i never do and i generally have the highest dps on fights over 5 minutes. I've rarely met a lock on my server who can out dps me, but then again, prior to 3.1 i was the third lock on the server in terms of gear. now i fell a bit behind because my guild got stuck on ignis, razorscale and XT for a little while, but now we're powering ahead.

on our first 25 clear of iron council, I topped recount at the end, with 8.9% of total damage, 4800 dps, and about 2.65 million done. that includes running around in P3, but it was a 12 minute fight since dBM seems to be incorrect about the enrage,

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April 27, 2009, 01:30 PM

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Mordru

Character Info
Mordru
80 Gnome Warlock
Alexstrasza US PvE
Guild: Dragon Army
Profile:
Talent Spec: 0/52/17

Re: Number of Shadow Bolts Too Low

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Originally Posted by Vazhkatsi

I mean that I do just as you are saying. If I see a DoT still has a little time left on it, I cast another SB instead of waiting for it to fade. The only exception is Haunt, which I usually do "clip" to try and maintain 100% uptime. On a rare case, I will clip UA, but that is definitely not the norm. And on DS, I wait to hear the beep from MSBT before I refresh DOTs.

April 27, 2009, 02:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ciboire Character Info Ciboire 70 Orc Warlock Gorganash US PvP Guild: Horde Nation Talent Spec: 53/13/5	Re: Number of Shadow Bolts Too Low Look at the global number of cast. He cast 18 more shadowbolts, but you cast 7 more haunts and your UA ticks are 3 times maybe ~5 more UA cast than him. You dps time is like 7 secs less than him and he life tap 1 time less than you. Addition all this casting time and no dps time and you will be close to your 26 secs ==> additionnal 13 SB. Can put the other 5 SBs to lag or something else.

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