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June 13, 2009, 03:29 PM
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0/13/58 rotation question.
Hello all, I recently specced into 0/13/58 and besides from not having green fire, I enjoy it. However, I still have a question or two regarding the rotation. Which curse should I be using? I've seen CoD, CoE, and Curse of Agony on different sites. I'm finding CoE gives me the best dps but, could anyone shed some light on this? Secondly, the rotation itself. I'm doing: CoE-->Immolate-->Conflagerate-->Chaos Bolt-->Incinerate Now, should I be using Incinerate until Immolate is about to wear off at which point I refresh it and start the rotation from Immolate? Thanks,
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June 13, 2009, 04:02 PM
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Serbeus 80 Human Warlock Sargeras US PvP Guild: Avenged Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: destro |
Re: 0/13/58 rotation question.
I was also wondering about the dots with a full destro build. Should we drop Curse of Agony and Corruption and just stick to the bread and butter incen, immolate, conflag, chaos bolt (no specific order listed here). Is it a dps increase to drop the dots from the ration, just putting up the initial CoE or CoW, or is it better to keep corruption and Curse of Agony up?
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June 13, 2009, 04:13 PM
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xazanghuul 80 Undead Warlock uldum US PvE Guild: starfish lovesong Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: 0/13/58 rotation question.
I never use Curse of Agony since i have either CoD/CoE up...usually CoD.I only use corruption when i am moving and can't cast anything else,so as to not waste a gcd. |
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June 13, 2009, 05:00 PM
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Serbeus 80 Human Warlock Sargeras US PvP Guild: Avenged Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: destro |
Re: 0/13/58 rotation question.
next raid i'll try dropping cor unless i have nothing else to cast (movement situation) and see how it reflects in my dps haven't run a raid yet but i tested it out on the training dummy. With just using Curse of Elements I noticed couple hundred increase in dps, from ~3kdps to ~3.4-3.5k dps (.13*3000= 390). Obviously due to the 13% increase from CoE and maybe some better roation timing on my part. In a raid there would more than likely be a unholy dk that would apply i believe its called ebon plague, so then maybe it would be better to cast Curse of Agony and Corr
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June 14, 2009, 03:47 PM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: 0/13/58 rotation question.
To the original poster and all the replies recommending corruptions, Curse of Agony's etc. Please read this regarding the 0/13/58 rotation: Fallenman's 3.1.2 Quick Raid Spec Rundown! - The Warlocks Den Forums This has been discussed before and I believe the above guide has it 'right': CoD is the only curse of choice here (assuming CoE is taken care of by an equiv buff) CoE -- You use this when you don't have a boomkin or ebon plague DK. 13% extra damage overall is too much to pass up. As for Curse of Agony and Corruption, I believe the answer to whether to use these as deep destro is "next to never". The logic around this follows at the end of this post if you are interested. It's also possible I am wrong, but I suspect not or the Fallenman guide and the EJ Simcraft on deep destro would have included Curse of Agony/Corr in the rotation. -- Dyson Long-Winded Logic for not using Curse of Agony/Corruption as Deep Destro: Since 25mans usually have one or the other, the recommended rotation instead is to occasionally through in CoD. Once CoD is no longer practical (the boss has <1 min of health), I don't believe you should bother with Curse of Agony. The average damage from crits and normal hits of incinerates (especially if your crit % is raid buffed) is greater than the time wasted casting Curse of Agony and that's even assuming that the Curse of Agony is fully applied. Remember Curse of Agony does not crit, incinerates do. Not to mention if you still have 2/2 t7 set bonus, you get even greater crit % on incinerates. Corruption is also not worth it in that spec for the same reasons as Curse of Agony. Don't take my word for it though. Go to a training dummy and see how much damage an incinerate does when immolate is up versus Curse of Agony. Then look at your crit % and factor that in (cuz you get double damage with crits + 3% from meta gem) and I suspect you will come to a similar conclusion. Here is what happens when I do it: Incinerate damage from a hit: 4492 Curse of Agony damage from a full tick cycle: 4770 Corruption damage from a full tick cycle: 4472 In raids, I get about 36% crit on my incinreates, and it's double damage, you can consider napkin math to be about (4492 * .75 + 4492 * 2.03 * .36) = 6651. Now consider cast time on incinerate (non-hasted is 2.25sec) vs Curse of Agony GCD is 1.5 seconds, and you get a DPCT (damage per cast time) on incinreate of 6651/2.25 = 2956 and Curse of Agony is 3180. However, also keep in mind that Conflag's backdraft reduces the average cast time on incinerate pretty dramatically. Even if only half of the incinerates have the backdraft buff, the average cast time un-hasted becomes around 1.9 seconds. So really the DPCT of Incinerate is 6651/1.9 or 3500. 3500 incinerate damage per cast time > 3180 Curse of Agony damage per cast time Even if you lower the % crit in the formula down to something like 30% instead of the 36% I see with all the raid buffs, etc, the DPCT of incinerate is still 3212 which is > 3180 for Curse of Agony even still. Also, keep in mind that for Curse of Agony to do it's damage, the entire 24 seconds has to pass. Incinerates damage applies immediately after casting (and travel time). So your last Curse of Agony might not even finish if the boss goes down quick enough in the last minute. Also keep in mind I am assuming everything is un-hasted. A lot of locks in Naxx-ish gear are gonna have at least 300-400 haste, if not more. And haste will benefit DPCT of a longer casting spell like incinerate over the gains in GCD for Curse of Agony/Corr. In addition, when raid buffed, spell power is increased even more and in deep destro fire spell power gets a larger boost than shadow spell power. So the above napkin calculations I think are probably conservative towards incinerates benefits over Curse of Agony. If you are moving and nothing else to cast otherwise, then yeah, go ahead and cast Corruption and Curse of Agony but keep in mind CoD > Curse of Agony if more than a minute left anyway, and corruption has a much worse DPCT in Deep Destro spec than Curse of Agony does, so all the arguments for not wasting time casting Curse of Agony also apply to Corruption. Hope this helps, and if my math is wrong on this, I am open to corrections. It's the first time I've attempted to really quantify this relationship of whether to use Curse of Agony versus no curse in the last minute of a fight as deep destro. |
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June 14, 2009, 04:44 PM
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Serbeus 80 Human Warlock Sargeras US PvP Guild: Avenged Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: destro |
Re: 0/13/58 rotation question.
"Would the good people like a reply!" -Mt. Dew Abe Lincoln That was a reply sir. Thank you for the post.
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