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June 14, 2009, 04:26 AM
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Bytora 80 Human Warlock Arathor US PvE Guild: Samo Mi Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Me vs Him.. How did he do that?
Not PVP. Hi. Destro Lock here and need help understanding WebStats. Bytora Vs Rafefitzooth First a stat comparison:
On this webstat: Wow Web Stats - you can see overall on Loatheb he beat me by ~150k damage. On this webstat: Wow Web Stats - you can see I did more damage per skill/spell but he did 21 more Incinerates. But I have better haste, why did he do 21 more incinerates? But on these webstats it reports I did more Incinerates. ( this is the page I am confused about ) Me: Wow Web Stats Him: Wow Web Stats - But I don't know where the incinerate total is matching up. These are all the same fight. Finally, yes he did beat me, but why? Is my crit crippling my dps that much even when my other stats are that much better? I play this destro build wackamole: Priority skills are: Curse of Doom Conflagurate Immolate Chaos Bolt Incinerate So. I do my best to not let more than a second go by after Curse of Doom pops. In normal situations or while COD is on CD.. I ensure if conflag is up that it's priority, then if Chaos Bolt or immolate is up I choose immolate first then Chaos bold then Incinerate spam. With my haste I don't know why he was capable of hitting 21 more incinerates while our other numbers are close to identical. Further more, He did not use COD at all in his rotation but looks like he used Curse of Agony in place of my COD with similar damage results, meaning while I had a minute cooldown he had to cast Curse of Agony twice. That means he had 10 seconds of GDC while I had 5 second. Meaning I should have had more Incinerates in my rotation then he did on this statistic alone. But he had 21 more with 5 seconds less to do it in to boot! So I hope the community can help me obtain more incinerates then him next time and therefore help me beat his damage and dps. -thank you. *note My talent spec is wrong to the left. It's 0 - 13 - 58 Last edited by Bytora; June 14, 2009 at 04:36 AM.. |
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June 14, 2009, 04:40 AM
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Lookapwny 80 Gnome Warlock Eitrigg US PvE Guild: Eastern Raiders Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Me vs Him.. How did he do that?
hows your latency?
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June 14, 2009, 04:53 AM
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Supernex 80 Gnome Warlock Drak'thul US PvP Guild: Epic Drops Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/20/51 |
Re: Me vs Him.. How did he do that?
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June 14, 2009, 08:41 AM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Me vs Him.. How did he do that?
From Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: "Don't Panic!"... yet I don't believe this is a latency or FPS issue. It is a situational awareness and luck issue for the Loatheb fight (and probably even a gear issue). Also, you (incl. Bytora) are being misdirected in how you are reading this WWS report from the questions in the first post Bytora made. But it is understandable, WWS doesn't have a good interface and is not easy to read and understand someone's performance. It's one of the reasons I've started going away from WWS and towards using other tools other than WWS also not parsing Ulduar very well. Rutiene may post here (and maybe clarify/correct me if I make some mistakes in this explanation), I believe she has a great WWS guide (which is what I read a 2 months ago when I started playing my lock in raids and wanted to understand my own DPS relative to other locks). Here's Rutiene's guide to WWS: Analyzing WWS For Affliction Warlocks - The Warlocks Den Forums 1) # of incinerates discrepancy between WWS reports Although some reports show you as having more incinerates, you actually have less. The Warlock Comparison report shows the true number of incinerates. The links you have showing the number of incinerates on an individual basis are the number of **NON-CRIT** HITS. You have to add the # of Crit columns to see the full picture. Problem solved for your question: "This is the page I am confused about". So if you click on you, your # of hits is 41. But if you add # of crits column, it will show 50. Or 91 total. 2) His # of incinerates (or gear as a factor) He really does have more incinerates. So the question is why. I believe the partial answer is in your trinkets. Frankly your trinkets are not good compared to this lock. Yes, his stats and SP are technically worse, but if you take into consideration trinket procs, his overall 'effective' stats are better. Your Trinkets: Darkmoon Card Illusion is terrible. It's proc is next to worthless for you even though 100 SP looks 'nice' on the surface as it's primary effect. Instead of this one, If I were you I would be using Sundial of the Exiled for the extra crit plus effective spell power proc every 45 seconds which is about the same as the constant 100SP buff you get from that darkmoon card. Mark of the War Prisoner is a good first beginner trinket to get you hit capped if you need it but the "Use" buff of 346 SP is also frankly sucky especially with a long *** cooldown. His Trinkets: Compare to your colleague who looks as if he has less "base" spell power, but actually he is using Sundial of the Exiled and getting a very nice SP boost there while also buffing his crit. 590 SP for 10 seconds every 45 seconds is quite nice. You can consider this almost effectively equal to your Darkmoon Card Illusion except he gets a shed load of crit on top of his spell power buff. And his 2nd trinket is Embrace of the Spider which is hands down a very nice lock trinket because on top of close to 100SP passive boost has an awesome proc: 505 Haste for 10 seconds every 45 seconds. This proced 5 times for him, so for close to a minute on that fight he had AMAZING haste. This is probably a factor in why he was able to get off so many incinerates. 3) Situational Awareness (or Luck) as a factor in # of incinerates Finally, the guy was either luckier than you or had better SA about the spores, but if you look at the reports, you missed some fungal creep compared to him. He had 5 applications of the buff versus your 3. Now, let's go back to the incinerates. You had 41 hits but 50 crits. If you use what I said in #1 to look at his crits, you will see that it looked like he had fewer hits, but adding the crit column, he had an amazing number of incinerate crits. He had 34 normal hits, but had 78 crits! I don't know your groups particular strategy with dealing with spores, but maybe pugs I've been in for Loatheb tend to just say "**** it, you guys fight over what spores you get", and this means that it may be luck whether you have the spore buff to some degree. If this is what is happening in your pug, it's no wonder there will be some ups and downs in DPS just based on whether you were lucky to have a spore or spores spawn near you versus having to run to them or fight for them. When you run, you can't incinerate. This guy not only got a bunch of spore buffs, but almost overly so based on the % time that buff was active (he clipped the buff at least once I believe). Because of this I suspect he had at least one or two of the spores spawn near him and he didn't have to go very far to get the buff. So not only did he get a higher crit % (look at the crit %ages between you guys) but he also probably wasn't running so much and therefore getting more incinerates off that way too. PS You are right, he shouldn't use Curse of Agony, but still with all the haste etc, it probably didnt matter. Also he probably cast those things while running to spores so I doubt it wasted GCDs. --- Anyway, there you go. I could go into a lot more detail on the comparison of your WWS reports, but I hope Rutiene's guide and this specific analysis addressing your particular questions should help you get past your initial things you were wondering about. Good luck! WWS is a pain in the *** to read, but it is one of many great tools out there for helping you improve yourself and you clearly have given it a lot of thought, Bytora, to be able to have provided such a clear and detailed "Question" post. I wish more Question posts were as detailed and laid out as yours was here. Hopefully this answer helps. I am semi-new to WWS reading myself as I have only been seriously raiding a couple months, but others who are more experienced may correct me if I made a mistake above. -- Dyson |
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June 14, 2009, 10:23 AM
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lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: Me vs Him.. How did he do that?
hmm, Loatheb... wasn't that the guy with a random buff? And where sometimes you had to stop dps because you went oom and couldn't life tap? Not a good boss to compare your performance with someone else's. |
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June 14, 2009, 10:32 AM
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Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Me vs Him.. How did he do that?
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The spore buff is not really random although where the spores appear are random, and depending on the coordination of your 25man, the obtaining of the buff can be random or based upon situational awareness of being good at fighting for your buff. I agree it's not a good boss to compare straight DPS performance, however I am not sure it isn't useful to examine the fight's WWS to see why one lock is better than another in a fight. I frequently see people who are fantastic on patchwerk (The easiest 'straight DPS' comparison, but are terrible in other fights. They can blame their luck all they want, and it's true a single fight is not a good measure of skill, but the reality is that Situational Awareness of knowing where light beams are on Hodir, Spores on Loatheb, Shadow Crash areas on Vezak, Rune Power on Assembly of Iron, etc and just plain minimizing your movement out of stuff to avoid makes a huge DPS difference between locks. |
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June 14, 2009, 11:31 AM
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Luxury 80 Blood Elf Warlock Deathwing US PvP Guild: Addiction Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 54/0/17 |
Re: Me vs Him.. How did he do that?
Very nice break down dyson.  @lilsteele: Loatheb is more like Patchwerks than most fights. If you do it right, there's not that much running and all you do is stand there and cast.
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June 14, 2009, 12:32 PM
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Bytora 80 Human Warlock Arathor US PvE Guild: Samo Mi Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Me vs Him.. How did he do that?
Wow thanks for that very detailed answer. And yes I agree Loethab is much more like Patchwerk than most fights and unfortunately was the only fight I could compare against. If any of you locks don't realize the trick with loethab and lifetap, it's Life Tap early. If you life tap very early in the fight so you top off your mana before the damage buff's get to hard for healers to deal with it will guarentee yourself mana at the end of the fight. And finaly, as far as trinkets I like your comparison. I can't get away from having a controllable burst to a random one. It's the same reason I moved away from adding the trinket called in one of my rotation skills. I just really like the ability to hit my trinket during Heroism or bloodlust. And the link is realy usefull. -Thanks guys! Oh - Dyson, what other tools are you using for statistics? And finaly- we all know recount and other damage meters tend to give different stats, is there a way to fix that? I thought I read somewhere you can increase the area by which your combatlog reports. Would that be a good way to better standardize the wws/damage meters? Last edited by Bytora; June 14, 2009 at 12:39 PM.. |
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