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Old July 02, 2009, 03:29 AM   #1 (permalink)

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Crucifiction
80 Undead Warlock
Stormreaver US PvP
Guild: DarkspearLiberationFront
Talent Spec: 5/42/24
3.1 2 Questions about how to be better!

This is my toon, gear and such. Im testing 2 BuildsCruci

Main is 0/31/50 and i do about 2.5-3k DPS

Rot: Life Tap, Curse of Agony, Corruption, Immolate, Life Tap, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate repeat

When proc'ed, i inst a cast SB


my 2nd is 3/13/55 and i do about 1.5-1.9k DPS

Rot: Life Tap(Rank 1), Chaos Bolt, Curse of Agony, Corruption, Immolate, Conflagrate, Incinerate, Incinerate
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Old July 02, 2009, 03:40 AM   #2 (permalink)

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Feardotz
80 Gnome Warlock
Stormscale US PvP
Guild: Enigma
Talent Spec: 53/0/18
3.1 Re: 2 Questions about how to be better!

Rather than try to help you out myself I think you could be best helped by checking out this thread: Fallenman's 3.1.2 Quick Raid Spec Rundown! - The Warlocks Den Forums

It will have all the information you need to improve on your dps. Judging by your gear, you could be pulling a lot more; this should set you on the right track.
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Old July 02, 2009, 03:43 AM   #3 (permalink)

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80 Undead Warlock
Stormreaver US PvP
Guild: DarkspearLiberationFront
Talent Spec: 5/42/24
3.1 Re: 2 Questions about how to be better!

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Rather than try to help you out myself I think you could be best helped by checking out this thread: Fallenman's 3.1.2 Quick Raid Spec Rundown! - The Warlocks Den Forums

It will have all the information you need to improve on your dps. Judging by your gear, you could be pulling a lot more; this should set you on the right track.
Alright, ty. Thats what i felt to, i seen a lock with slightly better gear getting 5k and upto 8k. Said they hit 5k in t7
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Old July 02, 2009, 03:49 AM   #4 (permalink)

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Barthilas US PvP
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Re: 2 Questions about how to be better!

Rotation for destruction should be:
CoD, Immolate, Chaos Bolt, Conflagrate, Incinerate using conflagrate and chaos Bolt when ever the CD is up and refreshing immolate. Use corruption ONLY when your running around away from something, never add it to your rotation, its a dps loss.
You shouldn't be glyphed for life tap if your destruction and you shouldn't need to lifetap at all with improved soul leech so take that out of your rotation.
You should pull alot more dps then 1.5k with destruction with the rotation i just stated.
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Old July 02, 2009, 04:06 AM   #5 (permalink)

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Talent Spec: 5/42/24
3.1 Re: 2 Questions about how to be better!

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Rotation for destruction should be:
CoD, Immolate, Chaos Bolt, Conflagrate, Incinerate using conflagrate and chaos Bolt when ever the CD is up and refreshing immolate. Use corruption ONLY when your running around away from something, never add it to your rotation, its a dps loss.
You shouldn't be glyphed for life tap if your destruction and you shouldn't need to lifetap at all with improved soul leech so take that out of your rotation.
You should pull alot more dps then 1.5k with destruction with the rotation i just stated.


Ill test that right now, i respeced better so lets see what i can do.

COD is worth it? last i knew when it hit it spawned a doomguard for me to enslave.

Tested it in org and without a Pet i did 3k DPS. Rot was Immolate, Chaos Bolt, Conflagrate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate tell i ran out of mana. i feel like im missing some other dots


Hit 3.5 on a test dummy with Imp. rot is COD, Corruption, Immolate, Chaos Bolt, Conflagrate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate, Incinerate

Tested on heroic and only doing 2.5k with imp

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Old July 02, 2009, 07:06 AM   #6 (permalink)

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80 Human Warlock
Terenas Euro PvE

Re: 2 Questions about how to be better!

3.5k on dummy with imp is a good number. But really you shouldn't be using corruption, it does not increase your dps.

Once you get the rotation down on the dummys you need to learn to execute it properly in raids, i.e. learn the bosses and how to position yourself, use consumables, etc.
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Old July 02, 2009, 09:24 AM   #7 (permalink)

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3.5k on dummy with imp is a good number. But really you shouldn't be using corruption, it does not increase your dps.

Once you get the rotation down on the dummys you need to learn to execute it properly in raids, i.e. learn the bosses and how to position yourself, use consumables, etc.

It was a level 60, but tried it on chillmaw and barly broke 1k, i sighed silently, very sadly. I took out corr since you were right. I dont know what the hell im doing wrong.
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Old July 02, 2009, 10:34 AM   #8 (permalink)

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Farstriders US RP PvE
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Re: 2 Questions about how to be better!

Quick note: You might want to upgrade the enchant on your bracers to +30 spellpower and there is a slight DPS advantage to the +50 Spellpower +20 Spirit threads for leggings.

Regarding your DPS in the heroic: It will almost always be lower than on a raid boss, simply because things die too fast for you to even get through a whole sequence - generally. I don't bother with a curse in Heroics, save on the bosses. With the people I group with in heroics, if I get through a whole backlash proc on one mob, I'm surprised --- that means I'm always doing less damage on non-bosses than I would like.

On Hit Rating: Depending on your normal weapon choice (I doubt it is the Argent Lance currently held), you are under Hit Cap for your spec on Raid Bosses unless you always have a shadow priest or druid with improved faerie fire with you (entirely possible, I wanted to point it out just in case).

On Rotation: Ultimo's suggestion is one of the standard openers. I tend to use CoE, Immolate, Conflagrate, Chaos Bolt, Incinerate x3, Conflagrate, Immolate, Chaos Bolt, Incinerate. Yes, I lose about a quarter to half a second waiting on the Conflagrate at the beginning; but, I usually have one or two 0/41/30 spec warlocks with me casting Immolate as their first or second spell, so in a Raid I often don't have any delay. (My job tends to be blow-up the adds quick.)

I still like practicing rotations on Dr. Boom out in Netherstorm, since he has enough health to last as long as a typical 10-man Raid boss (lacking all of the raid debuffs of course). That gives you enough time to practice a rotation and get a feel for it with 'random' adds being the flayer that walks up to you in the middle of it (usually).

Regarding gear: Your Haste Rating is very low right now, making it hard to get off lots of extra incinerate spam. Changing your overall gear based on that might not be the best idea, but even for a Destruction Warlock, Haste means more overall spells cast. One of the reasons you aren't seeing the wondrous effects of your 20%+ Crit Rating is a lot of things (in groups) are probably dying before you get your third cast off (as 0/41/30) and even with Conflagrate, you probably aren't making it through an entire cast sequence of Backlash before things die and that makes your DPS look low. An ideal fight for a warlock casting Curse of Doom lasts 60 seconds with the CoD ticking to kill the mob (or a second longer with the spell that is currently casting finishing the mob).

Hopefully this will help.
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Old July 02, 2009, 04:31 PM   #9 (permalink)

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3.1 Re: 2 Questions about how to be better!

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Quick note: You might want to upgrade the enchant on your bracers to +30 spellpower and there is a slight DPS advantage to the +50 Spellpower +20 Spirit threads for leggings.

Regarding your DPS in the heroic: It will almost always be lower than on a raid boss, simply because things die too fast for you to even get through a whole sequence - generally. I don't bother with a curse in Heroics, save on the bosses. With the people I group with in heroics, if I get through a whole backlash proc on one mob, I'm surprised --- that means I'm always doing less damage on non-bosses than I would like.

On Hit Rating: Depending on your normal weapon choice (I doubt it is the Argent Lance currently held), you are under Hit Cap for your spec on Raid Bosses unless you always have a shadow priest or druid with improved faerie fire with you (entirely possible, I wanted to point it out just in case).

On Rotation: Ultimo's suggestion is one of the standard openers. I tend to use CoE, Immolate, Conflagrate, Chaos Bolt, Incinerate x3, Conflagrate, Immolate, Chaos Bolt, Incinerate. Yes, I lose about a quarter to half a second waiting on the Conflagrate at the beginning; but, I usually have one or two 0/41/30 spec warlocks with me casting Immolate as their first or second spell, so in a Raid I often don't have any delay. (My job tends to be blow-up the adds quick.)

I still like practicing rotations on Dr. Boom out in Netherstorm, since he has enough health to last as long as a typical 10-man Raid boss (lacking all of the raid debuffs of course). That gives you enough time to practice a rotation and get a feel for it with 'random' adds being the flayer that walks up to you in the middle of it (usually).

Regarding gear: Your Haste Rating is very low right now, making it hard to get off lots of extra incinerate spam. Changing your overall gear based on that might not be the best idea, but even for a Destruction Warlock, Haste means more overall spells cast. One of the reasons you aren't seeing the wondrous effects of your 20%+ Crit Rating is a lot of things (in groups) are probably dying before you get your third cast off (as 0/41/30) and even with Conflagrate, you probably aren't making it through an entire cast sequence of Backlash before things die and that makes your DPS look low. An ideal fight for a warlock casting Curse of Doom lasts 60 seconds with the CoD ticking to kill the mob (or a second longer with the spell that is currently casting finishing the mob).

Hopefully this will help.
Ill fly out and play with him a little, i dont norm use that lol i use... [Plasma Foil] [Ward of the Violet Citadel] [Wand of Ahn'kahet] ill upgrade very soon to the enchants and the other tailoring, working on rep and shards. ill start useing the COD when i raid again and try your rott. my HR right now is 378

Testing Deep Distro on 10man VOA...

Looks like with COE i pull 3.5K DPS on VOA, this is my rott. I some times catch CB on CD for some reason or just not ready to cast, so i toss in an extra Incinerate.

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Old July 02, 2009, 07:40 PM   #10 (permalink)

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Re: 2 Questions about how to be better!

3.5K DPS in 10-man VoA is pretty good. Glad our suggestions seem to be helping. I raid with a very melee/physical damage-heavy raid, so my best sustained for a night is about 3.3k DPS. I'd feel mediocre about that, except that as I said, I'm usually on Add-duty or Shatter-duty and such.
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