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July 03, 2009, 09:10 PM

#21 (permalink)

Supernex

Status: Sit vis vobiscum.

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Supernex
80 Gnome Warlock
Drak'thul US PvP
Guild: Epic Drops
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/20/51

Re: 2 Questions about how to be better!

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Originally Posted by dyson

You don't have to just "see" what it does, you can know what it does via theory crafting and the tools available to you right now.

Glyph of Incinerate ups your incinerate DPS by 5%, and if you look at a DPS meter you will see Incinerate forming around 50% or more of your DPS in your spec if you are throwing a lot of fire around similar to deep destro.

Glyph of Chaos Bolt lowers a 12 seconds cooldown to 10 seconds. So you can cast slightly more chaos bolts, still you are doing that at the expense of casting something else, so it isn't even a 17%ish boost to chaos bolt because you are losing something else by lowering it's cooldown. Also Chaos Bolt doesn't form more than 10% of your overall DPS, so unless the DPS boost were really quite high, it's suboptimal.

It might be more of a PVP glyph where you do short bursts of damage and want time to have your perfect high damage rotation ready for the next player, but I could be wrong about the PVP applicability.

Good luck

Dyson, perhaps I am wrong, but since Glyph of Incinerate increases the damage of Incinerate by 5%, and Incinerate accounts for about 50% of our total DPS, wouldn't that make the Glyph of Incinerate provide a 2.5% boost to dps? (That being said I figured Glyph of Chaos Bolt provides a dps boost of just about 1%, so it doesn't really even compare. And in PVP there are several better glyphs to use as a Destro specced lock; Soul Link, Conflag, possibly even any of the following are better than Glyph of Chaos Bolt: Incin, Immo, Shadowflame, HoT, Demonic Circle...or Succubus/Felhunter. Glyph of Chaos Bolt just seems lackluster, IMO.)

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July 04, 2009, 09:11 AM

#22 (permalink)

dyson

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Dyson
80 Human Warlock
Scilla US PvP
Guild: Eden
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/13/58

Re: 2 Questions about how to be better!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superpoof

Well, if you want to get technical... :p

You are correct that because Glyph of Incin ups incin DPS by 5% but being 50% of damage, it ups over all DPS by essentially 2.5%. I didn't mean to imply it increased the whole damage but left that as an exercise for the reader which you picked up on. When you multiply the chaos bolt DPS increase by amount of chaos bolt DPS fraction, you get a lower number than 2.5% and that was also the point -- to show by math that Glyph of Incin > Glyph of Chaos Bolt for PVE.

However you look at it, the incinerate glyph -- using math -- is a better glyph.

It would be nice if a Glyph would up your DPS over another Glyph by a lot more than a 1% or 2% but I'll take that difference as it all adds up. And I know you would too as you recommended it.

In any case, the numbers are approximate anyway as you can see since incinerate forming a certain % of DPS is not really going to be exactly 50%. In a fight like Assembly of Iron with a long-lived boss, my incinerate DPS % is about 53%. But on a fight like Thorim where there's tiny little gauntlet of mobs, my incinerates hardly have time to cast after I've cast my conflag and chaos bolt, not to mention all the movement (especially on hard mode) and so it forms more like 45%.

But the norm really is 50% (Thorim is a weird fight that way... I guess a similar one in Naxx analogy would be Gothik with Live/Undead gauntlet).

Anyway, the point of my post wasn't to argue for or against glyph of incinerate.

It was a response to the person that said they'll update the glyph that night and 'see' what that does to their DPS.

It is this statement I want this person to be careful about when they evaluate whether they are 'seeing' if that glyph is giving them the performance boost they expect.

The problem is that when it's a 1% difference it's unlikely if this person tests at a training dummy (or even a single run in a raid) will show a practical difference that he will be able to see with the naked eye so to speak. This is because there is huge variability in procs and their own performance at a training dummy (or even in a single real raid run). Heck, even Placebo effect can have a huge effect on people's performance. I see it all the time on the forums here where sometimes people post prematurely based on a few training dummy runs arguing emphatically that one thing or another upped their DPS by 500-1000 DPS when the math would say it's friggin' impossible.

My point was that he can use math (even if napkin math) to work out the difference for himself and be comfortable in the knowledge of what that difference is likely to net him over time. Is 1%+ DPS boost anything to sneeze at? It sounds small, but when you add up 5-6 optimizations like spec, glyphs , proper gear choices, it can add up to a much larger % DPS increase and yeah, that can be seen in a training dummy or a single raid run, but it's the individual small optimizations that are harder to see.

You are right about other PVP glyphs being better. As i mentioned, I am woefully undereducated about warlock PVP, the last point was a supposition assuming blizzard would have made a glyph at least useful for ... ?something? LOL

Edit PS OMG @ the name change. Superpoof was an awesome name!

Last edited by dyson; July 04, 2009 at 09:13 AM..

July 04, 2009, 10:29 PM	#23 (permalink)
Enemyarms Character Info Crucifiction 80 Undead Warlock Stormreaver US PvP Guild: DarkspearLiberationFront Talent Spec: 5/42/24	Re: 2 Questions about how to be better! adding the glif now, wont be able to test it tell prob monday. working overnight sucks and have some stuff to do during the day.

July 04, 2009, 10:42 PM

#24 (permalink)

Supernex

Status: Sit vis vobiscum.

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Supernex
80 Gnome Warlock
Drak'thul US PvP
Guild: Epic Drops
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/20/51

Re: 2 Questions about how to be better!

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyson

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Edit PS OMG @ the name change. Superpoof was an awesome name!

LOL, I was getting a complex thinking that people might get the impression that I am gay, seeing that "poof" = "homosexual"...I was told this from an old co-worker of mine who plays WoW, he said "you know that poof means gay, right?" Guess he should know...he's gay. I liked the name, but I didn't like the stigma of poof.

Nex = death...I figured this fits better. Superdeath > Supergay, IMO.

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July 04, 2009, 10:59 PM

#25 (permalink)

Enemyarms

Character Info
Crucifiction
80 Undead Warlock
Stormreaver US PvP
Guild: DarkspearLiberationFront
Talent Spec: 5/42/24

Re: 2 Questions about how to be better!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superpoof

Nex = death...I figured this fits better. Superdeath > Supergay, IMO.

Must have overlooked the gay aspect. Anyhow. tested my build on Dr. Boom and had a high of 3k dps.

COD=2.5-2.7
COE=3k

July 04, 2009, 11:11 PM	#26 (permalink)
dyson Status: Subscriber Character Info Dyson 80 Human Warlock Scilla US PvP Guild: Eden Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58	Re: 2 Questions about how to be better! Good luck with the Glyph, Enemy Supernex is cool too. Always figured the poof was actually more like gnomish engineering devices gone up in a poof of smoke/destruction or the typical magician "poof" something's disappeared.

July 05, 2009, 12:10 AM

#27 (permalink)

Supernex

Status: Sit vis vobiscum.

Character Info
Supernex
80 Gnome Warlock
Drak'thul US PvP
Guild: Epic Drops
Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 0/20/51

Re: 2 Questions about how to be better!

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyson

Good luck with the Glyph, Enemy

Supernex is cool too. Always figured the poof was actually more like gnomish engineering devices gone up in a poof of smoke/destruction or the typical magician "poof" something's disappeared.

Actually yes, this was the original intent when I named him Superpoof, like a spell gone awry, lol...but alas, 'twas not meant to be.

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July 05, 2009, 09:35 AM

#28 (permalink)

Enemyarms

Character Info
Crucifiction
80 Undead Warlock
Stormreaver US PvP
Guild: DarkspearLiberationFront
Talent Spec: 5/42/24

Re: 2 Questions about how to be better!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supernex

Actually yes, this was the original intent when I named him Superpoof, like a spell gone awry, lol...but alas, 'twas not meant to be.

Any other tips on what i could do to push 5k like the above poster? I know i would get a lot more dps with a fullset of 25man, but being by my self 2.5 seems a little lack luster. what exactly should my hit be by my self to be Hitmaxed? i have 3 points in the Distro spec.