| DPS & Rotation Help! If you're struggling to get your DPS up, can't figure out your personal rotation or just want to know if you're doing ok, then come on in and compare chart numbers... |
 |
July 02, 2009, 10:13 AM
|
#1 (permalink) |
|
|
DPS : 4k vs. 2.5k??
Heya all guys. Firstly i wanna say thnx for the unbelieveble assets you are in the warlock community. I have been visiting this site forever for all my lock need and have always found the answer. It is sadly come to a point that after continuous trial and error i cant help myself any more and im asking for some input from you guys. Ok here's the deal - i'm an Afflic lock in not that bad Naxx25/Uld10 gear. Always loved affliction - always will - here's my armory : The World of Warcraft Armory Depending on buffs i always grab about 4k+ on trash and anything from 3.5k+ on bosses and have had my fair share of 5.2k (sometimes 5.5k) on Patch and Thaddius. I mostly run 10man Naxx hitcapped cuz of Spriest. Unbuffed (cept for Fel Armor and Spellstone) i pull about 3-3.2k on the dummy. Build is standard 3.0 build 53/1/17 (i like the pet heals): The World of Warcraft Armory On Average Bossfight Rotation is : SB (for ImpSB)->Haunt->Corr->UA->Curse of Agony->SB... -->refresh when needed - SB as filler, DS sub 25% Pet : Succubus -------------------------------------------------------- I then decided that i would like to try out Destro for the fun of it seeing its supposedly such AWESOME dps. Respecced to a popular Destro build ive seen namely 3/14/54 : The World of Warcraft Armory and used the exact same gear setup i got now. Also only running Fel Armor and Spellstone i only managed to pull out a measily 2.2/2.4k on the dummies on a 1min fight giving CoD time to proc. Thought mayb its the buffs i went into Naxx and tried it out on some bosses - went up to 2.6/2.7k.  On Average Bossfight Rotation used : CoD->Imm->Corr(if i had lagg from Imm cast),otherwise Conf->CB->Inc... Inc as filler for Confg/CB use on FCFS basis, while ensuring Imm stays up. Pet : Imp -------------------------------------------------------- I really cant understand what im doing wrong and its with this that i please ask for you all's help! Mayb you can see a mistake im making in my talent choices or even gear/rotations... I've read this forum top to bottom and many here have different playstyles, but for dps to drop this low in the apparent 'best dps' lock spec makes me think im doin sumthin wrong! Looking forward to your input and thnx for helping out a fellow lock! All the best 
Last edited by TheRidDler; July 02, 2009 at 10:19 AM.. |
|
|
| Sponsored Links |
|
|
|
July 02, 2009, 10:27 AM
|
#2 (permalink) |
|
Character Info
lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: DPS : 4k vs. 2.5k??
Spec looks good, gear looks good, glyphs are correct (maybe change immolate for incinerate, but thats not a huge difference). Your crit rating is a bit low, but that should not be a problem, it's the least valuable stat anyways. So, on a dummy you should be using CoE, also in raids if noone else applies the 13% debuff. Then it is really important that you keep track of your cooldowns, you have to cast Conflagrate and CB as soon as they become available, in particular conflagrate has to be used as often as possible since it also procs backdraft. How did you work Life Tap into your rotation? And to avoid confusion, do you have your imp attacking the dummy too? With your gear, you should be aiming at some 3.5k dps on the dummy. Well, that's all I could think of right now, good luck 
|
|
|
|
|
July 02, 2009, 10:31 AM
|
#3 (permalink) |
|
Character Info
Dadoninho 80 Undead Warlock Burning Steppes Euro PvP Guild: Insight Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/41/30 |
Re: DPS : 4k vs. 2.5k??
hi mate i saw your topic i think you should change your gems put more crit am less sp cas if you go to destro you should have give more prioraty to crit then haste i got my lock +-470 haste +-crit is one of the most importante valorus of destro spect , should get + 18% crit btw i use spellstone |
|
|
0 members liked this post. 1 members didn't.
|
|
July 02, 2009, 10:40 AM
|
#4 (permalink) | ||
|
|
Re: DPS : 4k vs. 2.5k??
Quote:
I have some other gear i also swap out sometimes to boost a particular stat, have tried going crit heavy gear (still hitcapped) to no avail. 1. I am also a firm believer of CoE and used to pop it always, but with the amount of DK's popping Ebon Plague or the like. Will try to swap back and see if it helps thx! 2.Think i got most of my rotation down, can maybe pay a bit more attention to Imm as being affliction ive learned to ignore it, so i sometimes miss that. 3.I mostly Life Tap when im at about 15% mana and then once just before i hit the Conflag repeat and again after 2 or 3 whole rotations depending on mana. 4. Aye, imp helps to pew pew! =] Ta thx alot for the effort! Quote:
I mainly use Rawr 2 for my theorycrafting, specially if i get a new piece of gear and it has never proposed to swap the spellpower gems - just a hit one here and there. Mayb im relying too much on its advice... Last edited by TheRidDler; July 02, 2009 at 10:48 AM.. |
||
|
|
|
|
July 02, 2009, 11:29 AM
|
#5 (permalink) |
|
Character Info
Mordru 80 Gnome Warlock Alexstrasza US PvE Guild: Dragon Army Profile: Talent Spec: 0/52/17 |
Re: DPS : 4k vs. 2.5k??
It would be helpful to see WWS report. Your spell choices look wise. I would use firestone as well for this build. One thing I would do (and this may seem obvious, but it has happened to many of us), make sure that 1) you have purchased the highest level of each of your spells and 2) you put the right level of spell on your hotbar. |
|
|
|
|
July 02, 2009, 11:57 AM
|
#6 (permalink) | |
|
Character Info
Hakasa 80 Orc Warlock Elune US PvE Guild: European Devils Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 55/0/16 |
Re: DPS : 4k vs. 2.5k??
Quote:
Gemming for crit is one of the worst things you could do, especially if you switched them out for spellpower gems. |
|
|
|
|
|
July 02, 2009, 12:00 PM
|
#7 (permalink) | |
|
Character Info
lilsteele 80 Human Warlock Terenas Euro PvE |
Re: DPS : 4k vs. 2.5k??
Quote:
1. there's no minimum crit for destruction to be viable. And haste is worth more than crit! 2. Never ever gem for crit, +19 spellpower gems are the best choice for almost any socket 3. Use the firestone. The +1% damage dealt is important, not the haste or crit that comes with the stone. @ TheRiddler You need immolate to be up 100%. better 105%. It's necessary for Conflagrate and it boosts your incinerate/chaos bolt damage. Immolate falling off is really really bad. And get some tool to watch your cooldowns so you can time your spells better. Since you have the life tap glyph, you should open your rotation with a level 1 life tap. And try to distribute the life taps evenly over the fight. |
|
|
|
1 members liked this post. 0 members didn't.
|
|
July 02, 2009, 12:37 PM
|
#8 (permalink) |
|
Character Info
Slex 80 Undead Warlock Sporeggar Euro PvP Guild: Zakon Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 54/0/17 |
Re: DPS : 4k vs. 2.5k??
I've noticed we have nearly identical gear (The World of Warcraft Armory, 10 overlapping pieces ), and I'm usually at 3.5-4K on the heroic dummy. As other said I suggest you to 1) Check if you bought the Chaos Bolt Rank 4 2) Put CoE, and imp attacking on the dummy 3) Drop corruption from your rotation. Let us know how it went, Slex |
|
|
|
|
July 02, 2009, 02:05 PM
|
#9 (permalink) |
|
Character Info
Bhuta 80 Blood Elf Warlock Farstriders US RP Guild: Natural Order Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: DPS : 4k vs. 2.5k??
Welcome to Bhuta's Firelocking 101 Spec: Don't see anything that's a big problem, but check mine anyway. I've opted for Big cookies because I'm typically the only lock, and I don't have too many problems keeping my imp on a short leash. Also, don't under estimate the two burst spells. Shadowfury hits about as hard as Shadowburn, and has that nice AoE stun... alot of locks QQ'ing for a buff on Shadowfury in the Q&A series, so hopfully it be worth the point next time through. Really not many other variables here. BUT one of the two will help keep dps up when you're on the go. Glyph chioces: The latest EJ data is showing Immolate will out perform Life Tap. If you go to my armory page, you'll see I've got Life Tap equipped... I tested it last night, and will confirm a 200 dps loss vs. Immolate. Some of that may be from poorly executing the life tap, but, with this rotation you've got enough to juggle as it is. I reccomend Immolate Incinerate and Conflag. Rotation: Keep impy on defensive Opening Rotation: Curse (see previous posts) Immolate, CB, Conflag, Incinx3 What happens next is largely dependent on your haste rating (and factors such as bloodlust). Your priorities should be 1.) keeping immolate up at all times 2.) keeping CB and Conflag on CD 3.) Following Conflag with Incin x3 (get's the most Pew Pew from your backdraft). Lifetap... just space it out as needed, even with 4pc T7. Other than that, just remember the ABC's of dps... always, be, casting. For extra credit: Toss a corruption up while on the run in movement intensive fights (i.e. Malygos or Razorscale), really the only time corruption is used in this build. Also, implementing shadowfury or shadowburn will help fill the gaps too. Stone: Firestone I have no problem pulling 3500 self buffed on a target dummy, and I'm still wearing quite a few wellfare purples. I bet you pull 4000+ when you get the "rotation" down. Hope this helps, and enjoy the Nukes! Last edited by Bhuta; July 02, 2009 at 02:17 PM.. |
|
|
|
|
July 02, 2009, 02:11 PM
|
#10 (permalink) | |
|
|
Re: DPS : 4k vs. 2.5k??
Quote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Bookmarks |
| Tags |
| 25k, 4k, DPS |
| Thread Tools | |
|
|
