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August 21, 2009, 09:55 AM
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Depressed Aff Lock
I have only been raiding a little over one week (hence I just picked up anything I could use to get rid of my blues). Armory: The World of Warcraft Armory I really enjoy the Affliction rotation but my Affliction dps is easily 1k+ less than my Destruction dps. I do not clip DoTs and follow the correct rotation. The discrepancy between Affliction and Destruction seems pretty huge to me. Is it just that my gear is sub-optimal for Affliction or is Destruction just doing much more dps now? |
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August 21, 2009, 10:25 AM
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Re: Depressed Aff Lock
You're doing it wrong if on the same fight, you are having a 1k+ dps difference between the two. Some fights are horrible for an aff lock, like gothic, but if you are comparing your patchwerk fights, then you need to work on your rotation. With that said, you could use some more haste (you want between 500 and 550), and hit.... but you won't see the haste increase really until you get better gear. |
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August 21, 2009, 10:34 AM
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Character Info
Fizzik 80 Blood Elf Warlock Dunemaul US PvP Guild: Ghosts of Damnation Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Depressed Aff Lock
You seem to be a bit low on haste compared to crit, but I don't think that accounts for a 1k difference. Is this DPS drop in a particular fight? Some fights are more suited to high burst damage than affliction's steady grind (since Naxx is more your benchmark - Afflic will be terrible on Heigan, but great on Patchwerk). In general Destro > Afflic for fights with anything that dies quickly (trash, adds). Otherwise they're close to each other with Destro having the edge in end game gear. |
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August 21, 2009, 10:37 AM
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Character Info
Kraosis 80 Gnome Warlock Thorium Brotherhood US RP Guild: Third Mobile Infantry Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: Depressed Aff Lock
it took me a long time to learn the correction rotation and stuff the main thing i bet your doin is you may not be clipping your dots but your not resfreshing them and keeping them up. just incase the best rotation is shadowbolt,haunt,Unstable Affliction,Curse of Agony, Curruption, other thatn that like cinderseer says work on your hit and haste some more and you should be set also if you dont alrdy i would highly recommend DoTimer works really well
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August 21, 2009, 10:43 AM
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Character Info
Fizzik 80 Blood Elf Warlock Dunemaul US PvP Guild: Ghosts of Damnation Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Depressed Aff Lock
It's not a +hit issue. You're under cap by 27, but you're under cap in both Afflic & Destro. |
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August 21, 2009, 10:46 AM
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Re: Depressed Aff Lock
Yea, I've been using the same, or very similar rotation, shadow bolt (sometimes 2 of them), haunt, UA, Curse of Agony, Corruption, then shadowbolt spam and keeping DoTs up, but I've seen my DPS just tank (from about 2.9 to 2.5 or so) in the past few months, not sure if it's human error (or undead in this case), gear, or somehting else, can someone help shed some light on this? gear and tallents at The World of Warcraft Armory |
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August 21, 2009, 12:38 PM
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Re: Depressed Aff Lock
First, I am hit capped. I always run with Heroic Presence (bf is a pally). Second, I may not being doing a perfect Affliction rotation since it is still new to me but I do keep all DoTs up without clipping (I use DoTimer). In fights like Patchwerk the discrepancy may only be like 500dps vs. 1k that I see on other fights... but it is still pretty big. In VoA the other day (where you switch targets) I could do over 4k as Destruction whereas I did less than 3k the other day as Affliction on the same fight. And yes, I do agree that I need more haste for an optimal Affliction gear set, although I am unsure whether I will be Affliction in the near future. I know it is impossible for anyone else to tell what I am doing wrong without WWS and other details - so I guess my real question is do any of you switch between the two specs? If so, do you notice a big difference in dps? I would like to know whether post 3.2 if there really is a big dps difference or it is just me doing something wrong. |
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August 21, 2009, 12:57 PM
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Re: Depressed Aff Lock
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"Increases chance to hit with all spells and attacks by 1% for you and all party members within 30 yards." I wouldn't rely on that for hit. Last edited by Evictoray; August 21, 2009 at 12:59 PM.. |
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August 21, 2009, 01:08 PM
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Character Info
Fizzik 80 Blood Elf Warlock Dunemaul US PvP Guild: Ghosts of Damnation Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Depressed Aff Lock
I switch between specs for different fights. For example, for Ignus, I'll use Afflic while for XT I'll use Destro. I don't really notice huge differences between the specs that couldn't be attributed to fight mechanics (buffs, etc). In Naxx, I used to run Afflic on Loetheb, Heigan & Patchwerk (little movement) and Destro on Gothik, Gluth & KT (lots of ads). |
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August 21, 2009, 01:48 PM
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Re: Depressed Aff Lock
I'm not so sure that affliction is bad for bosses with a ton of adds, assuming you have a really good tank that is. SoC is amazing if you have a ton of adds. If you are only getting one or two adds at a time then Destro is def much better because of the on call burst. If the add will live 25+sec affliction should be almost equal to destruction. Tank and spank fights should be easy to keep heroic presence up and if you are carefull then you can take full advantage of it. My only issue with buffs like that is I don't like relying on others that much, because we all die every now and again. Your opening rotation should be: Life Tap; Shadow bolt (only one); Haunt; Corruption; Curse of Agony (or CoE if no one is present to apply the +13% buff); UA. Shadow bolt is spam and make sure you keep Haunt up at all times. Drain Execute is while keeping up all dots you drain soul for at least six seconds and use shadow bolt only when it is an instant or to keep up the ISB buff (+5% crit) This is where afflocks really shine. If you aren't drain executing, I'm assuming you are, then this alone would account for the dps loss. Priority of spells to keep up are (situationally): CoE>Haunt=corruption(it's refresed by so it doesn't need attention)>UA=Curse of Agony Good Luck! Shadows Embrace is applied by both Haunt and Shadow Bolt so you don't need 2x shadow Bolt + Haunt. |
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