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Old September 01, 2009, 04:07 PM   #11 (permalink)

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Lavath
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Shadow Council US RP Profile: Blizzard Armory
Talent Spec: 3/13/55
Re: Yet another cry for help

The first thing I would do is get more haste. You are pretty low in order to make the destruction build work really well. Your goal for haste should be 505. Until you get that high, I would likely say to use some haste food and a spellstone as a crutch until you get it from gear. All of your other stats, save hit which is on the border, look fine.

I think getting more haste will be the biggest change you can make right now.
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Old September 03, 2009, 09:17 AM   #12 (permalink)

Re: Yet another cry for help

You should absolutely get more haste. That's bottle neck in your case. I'd advise against using the spellstone though. The haste you gain from a non improved spell stone isn't high enough to negate the 1% damage increase from the fire stone.

To the poster before lavath:

The spell power buff you gain from the glyph of LT is about 150 at average levels. This buff is easily maintained in every fight. The higher your item level, the more spirit you gain. The more spirit you gain, the more the glyph of LT becomes valuable.

But like I said, the simcrafts showing LT's superiority didn't take movement into account. With low spirit levels immo might be equal - there's no proof for this though.
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Old September 03, 2009, 10:01 AM   #13 (permalink)

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Carnall
80 Human Warlock
Rexxar US PvE
Guild: Sanctified
Talent Spec: Dest/Dem
Re: Yet another cry for help

I'm not really sure why there is still confusion with deep destro builds glyphs...
you take Life Tap if and only if you have 3 point in suppression and not ISL

if you are running the higher dps 13/58 then you always take the immolate, incin, conflag combo.

The reason being that if you have ISL for most fights you will not need to life tap at all.


And by the way you have great gear. I would think that self buffed you would be hitting 3.5-4kish?
Rotation should be on bosses or single target
Curse (whichever one is applicable for your group and duration of fight); Immolate; conflag; chaos bolt; incinerate x3.

Life Tapping with Suppression: try to spread it out so you are oom at end of fight and you will have maximized your dps.

1 other thing: you can switch up a couple of gems for more benefit; you are a bit over hit cap and I think you can afford to swap out your sp/hit gem for a pure sp one and why do you have a sp/haste gem in your pants? you don't have the +7sp bonus either way so and sp> haste which is why we always gem for sp once we are hit capped with a few minor exceptions (meta activation etc).

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Old September 04, 2009, 04:55 AM   #14 (permalink)

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Marshwood
80 Human Warlock
bronze dragonflight Euro PvE
Guild: Valkyrien Guard
Talent Spec: 3/13/55
3.2 Re: Yet another cry for help

if you are running the higher dps 13/58 then you always take the immolate, incin, conflag combo.

have you got a link for that spec please? I'm currently 3/13/55, but the idea of not having to life tap does appeal.

I'm off to play around with gems. Thanks guys!
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Old September 04, 2009, 07:32 AM   #15 (permalink)

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I'm not really sure why there is still confusion with deep destro builds glyphs...
you take Life Tap if and only if you have 3 point in suppression and not ISL
I kinda dislike to disagree with people that are trying to help. But your information isn't correct. The LT glyph is always better than the immolate glyph for every deep destro build.

This information is based our latest simcraft results forcing a tank-and-spank encounter.

The ISL spec is only the 'highest dps' spec on nuke fights where moving isn't an issue. On top of that, the difference is marginal. We haven't managed to include movement in our parses yet. But practice indicates that dropping ISL and getting suppression will ultimately result in higher dps as the player can itemize more towards SP and haste, rather than hit.
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Old September 04, 2009, 08:46 AM   #16 (permalink)

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Toadpoker
80 Human Warlock
Hellscream Euro PvE
Guild: Ankh
Talent Spec: 0/17/54
3.2 Re: Yet another cry for help

Your rotation should be

Life Tap (before the pull - I have ILL trinket so I spam rank 1 LT 10 times to get my 200 sp buff)

Immolate
COE (this allows the 1 sec gcd to happen so you can conflag)
Conflag
Chaos Bolt
Incinerate Spam

I find this works nicely for renewing immolate/chaos bolt and being able to conflag quickly after its available.
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Old September 04, 2009, 09:45 PM   #17 (permalink)

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Lücifer
80 Blood Elf Warlock
Malygos US PvE
Guild: Pancakes and Thunder
Profile: ArmoryLite
Talent Spec: 3/13/55
3.2 Re: Yet another cry for help

Sorry I'm posting here, but I can't create a thread yet. I need some help. I feel that I have some pretty good gear, but I never seem to get the dps that I should be able to. I am the best geared person in my guild, yet I seem to have difficulty being (one of) the top dps'ers in our raids. With my kind of gear, what kind of dps should I be pulling off and what suggestions do you have to help me obtain this kind of dps? I could only manage 6400 dps on patchwerk last time I was in there

Rotation:
LT
Immolate
Corruption
Conflag
Curse of Doom
Chaos Bolt
Incinerate

I use everything when it comes of cooldown or when the debuff/buff is about to drop off(including life tap). However, I only refresh corruption while moving or I just need a GCD before something comes off of CD
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Old September 05, 2009, 12:02 AM   #18 (permalink)

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Evictoray
80 Undead Warlock
maiev US PvP
Profile: Blizzard Armory

3.2 Re: Yet another cry for help

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Originally Posted by Toadpoker View Post
Your rotation should be

Immolate
COE (this allows the 1 sec gcd to happen so you can conflag)
Conflag
Chaos Bolt
Incinerate Spam

I find this works nicely for renewing immolate/chaos bolt and being able to conflag quickly after its available.
I still can't for the life of me figure out why people want to fill a 1/4 second hesitation with a 1 second GCD
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Old October 15, 2009, 12:54 PM   #19 (permalink)

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Midelilah
80 Gnome Warlock
Drenden US PvE
Guild: Medieval Fighters
Talent Spec: 0/13/58
3.2 Re: Yet another cry for help

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Originally Posted by mdxfreak12 View Post
Sorry I'm posting here, but I can't create a thread yet. I need some help. I feel that I have some pretty good gear, but I never seem to get the dps that I should be able to. I am the best geared person in my guild, yet I seem to have difficulty being (one of) the top dps'ers in our raids. With my kind of gear, what kind of dps should I be pulling off and what suggestions do you have to help me obtain this kind of dps? I could only manage 6400 dps on patchwerk last time I was in there

Rotation:
LT
Immolate
Corruption
Conflag
Curse of Doom
Chaos Bolt
Incinerate

I use everything when it comes of cooldown or when the debuff/buff is about to drop off(including life tap). However, I only refresh corruption while moving or I just need a GCD before something comes off of CD
First off, remove corruption from your rotation. its not a worthy spell to use and it wastes your GCD. Also, i would cast Curse of Doom immediately as it lasts 1 whole minute long you would want to get as many in as possible.

this is what i would do LT > COD> Immo> Conflag> Chaos Bolt> Incineratex?> Conflag..
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Old October 29, 2009, 12:33 AM   #20 (permalink)

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Xachary
80 Undead Warlock
Arathor US PvE
Guild: Phoenix Elite
Talent Spec: 3/13/55
3.2 Re: Yet another cry for help

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Originally Posted by Midelilah View Post
First off, remove corruption from your rotation. its not a worthy spell to use and it wastes your GCD. Also, i would cast Curse of Doom immediately as it lasts 1 whole minute long you would want to get as many in as possible.

this is what i would do LT > COD> Immo> Conflag> Chaos Bolt> Incineratex?> Conflag..

What makes corruption "unworthy"? Considering the tier set bonus to corruption as well as immolate, having constant corruption on the target gives one equitable damage at practically no cost (as per Conflag CD)
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