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September 14, 2009, 09:05 AM
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Read before asking help about bad dps
Since dozens of these 'help me my dps sucks' threads are made on a daily bases, it's good to make a list of what you need to have before asking for help. Vital stats Hit-rating: To do acceptable dps in raids you need to be hit-capped. I would advice against an ISL build, especially with low-quality gear. Make sure you have 11% hit-rating with 3 points in Suppression. You will need (and should have) either a shadow priest or a moonkin in the raid. The hard-cap is 17%. Do not itemize towards this percentage as it's an incredible waste of stats. It's the raid-leader's/GM's task to provide the raid group with a class that can apply the hit-debuff. This is valid in both 10 as 25 man raids, pugged or guild runs. This is the correct destro-suppression build: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft If you insist on going ISL, make sure you have 14% hit-rating. You will need (and should have) either a shadow priest or a moonkin in the raid. This is the correct ISB build: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft Spell Power: Spell power is your most important stat after having reached your hit-cap. Ideally you'll have full spell power gems in every socket. When don't you put full spell power gems in your sockets? If the item has 2 or less sockets and the socket bonus is 5 spell power or more, you will socket according to the colour; Orange: Spell power & Haste - Reckless Ametrine Blue: Spell power & Spirit - Purified Dreadstone If the item has more than 2 sockets and you don't need the blue gem for the meta-gem requirements, use only 23 spell power gems. Haste: Haste is, obviously after hit-cap, your second most important stat (with spell power being first). When itemizing you will try to focus as much as you can on haste. Your goal has to be to reach at least 400 haste-rating, without sacrificing spell power. You will never chose crit over haste. Crit has to be seen as a bonus stat, rather than a stat to focus on. Meta-gem: The only viable PvE meta-gem for every spec is Chaotic Skyfire Diamond Stones All deep destruction builds only use the Fire Stone. The Spell Stone is only used if you're specced into Master Conjuror or if you're Affliction specced. Glyphs The glyphs that proved to give the highest theoretical dps are; Glyph of Conflagrate Glyph of Incinerate Glyph of Life Tap It is true that at low spirit levels (between 300 and 400 spirit) the differences between Glyph of Immolate and Glyph of Life Tap are marginal. Nevertheless, life tap grants a considerable boost and it's an extremely easy buff to keep up. This glyph obviously scales well with gear and makes spirit a more interesting stat that it already is. Enchants Not matter what kind of gear you currently have, if you want to perform well, you'll need th best possible enchants at all times. These are the best enchants per gear-slot; Head slot: Arcanum of Burning Mysteries Shoulder slot: Greater Inscription of the Storm Chest: Formula: Enchant Chest - Powerful Stats Legs: Brilliant Spellthread Belt: Eternal Belt Buckle Bracer: Formula: Enchant Bracer - Superior Spellpower Cloak: Lightweave Embroidery Gloves: Enchant Gloves - Exceptional Spellpower -Boots: Enchant Boots - Icewalker if you're hit-capped use Formula: Enchant Boots - Tuskarr's Vitality One handed Weapon: Formula: Enchant Weapon - Mighty Spellpower Staff: Formula: Enchant Staff - Greater Spellpower Rotations Basically you should always have a Unholy DK and a Moonkin in a 25 man raid setup. This relieves you from having to use CoE. When entering a fight your starting rotation should be as follows; Life tap for your glyph buff --> Immolate & let your imp start attacking --> Conflagrate --> CoD --> CB --> Incinerate spam --> Conflagrate Now to clarify some priorities: Immolate and Conflagrate are cast before CoD to gain Pyroclasm. Pyroclasm increases both your fire as shadow damage. Therefore a CoD cast after having gained Pyroclasm will hit for 6% harder than a CoD. Fully raid buffer you have ~70% chance to gain Pyroclasm. After your starting up rotation you'll mostly have a priority list of casts; - Always cast Conflagrate when it's off cooldown, but never clip a cast of another spell for it. - Always cast your Cb when it's off cooldown, but never clip a cast of another spell for it. Also, never cast CB without Immolate being on the target. - Only cast Immolate if it's going to hit the target after the previous Immolate has expired. Clipping DoTs is a massive dps loss. - If there's less thatn 1 minute left to the end of the fight, use Curse of Agony. If you estimate that your Curse of Agony won't complete its full duration, don't cast it at all. Professions and consumables The professions that provide us with the highest theoretical dps are Jewel crafting and Tailoring. Every raiding Warlock should have the sufficient stacks of the following consumables: Flask of the Frost Wyrm This is the only viable flask for any caster dps. Potion of Wild Magic Potion of Speed Tender Shoveltusk Steak or Firecracker Salmon If you have 400 haste or more and you chain your haste-trinket and pots during Blood Lust, Potion of Wild Magic will provide you with slightly more dps than Potion of Speed Tiers Even if the tier 8 2-set and 4-set bonuses are extremely valuable, both tier 9 2-set and 4-set bonuses need to be saught after. The ideal setup is: 4x tier 9 (item level 245 or higher) Before reaching 4x tier 9, you'll benefit most from 2x tier 8 and 2x tier 9 Using 3x tier 9 and 1x tier 8 is a massive dps loss. Yes, the 2x set bonus is that good. So save up your emblems and trophies so you can buy the last two pieces at the same time. Last edited by Benituccio; September 14, 2009 at 06:39 PM.. |
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September 14, 2009, 11:58 AM
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Re: Read before asking help about bad dps
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Just some thoughts as matter of opinion. Last edited by Lavath; September 14, 2009 at 02:54 PM.. Reason: Reserve yellow text for Mods please. |
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September 14, 2009, 12:12 PM
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Jenerena 80 Blood Elf Warlock Executus Euro PvP Guild: Deliverance Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Read before asking help about bad dps
I have to say i haven't seen many people talk about casting CoD after conflag, to me that is a loss as you are wasting a GCD during backdraft. Usually i go with CoD, Immolate, conflag, CB, Incinerate spam until conflag is off cooldown, then generally immolate, then CB when off cooldown and incinerate. Generally use incinerate if CB, conflag are on cooldown and immolate is up. There are differing opinions with rotations but this is really the basic rotation. With gear depending on what you have currently go with the pieces of T9 that are the biggest upgrades. For many the lower level T9 might not be much of an upgrade, but if they are even only slightly better take it as the set bonus is awesome and will make them even more of an upgrade. Apart from that though very well written guide, should clear alot of things up for those who are confused  . (make a sticky perhaps?)Quote:
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September 14, 2009, 02:04 PM
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Re: Read before asking help about bad dps
17%=cap No, with a Suppression build and a Shadow Priest or Moonkin the cap is 11%. For ISL it's 11%+3%=14%. Raiding 25 man content without a Shadow Priest or Moonkin is pure ignorance. With my gear and ISL build, ~575 Spirit is the point where GoLifeTap and GoImmolate cross over and become equal. I don't think it is easy to define that point as a standard. There is no proof, whatsoever, that the glyph of Immolate is equal or superior to the glyph of Life Tap. We are, still, trying to implement movement into iterations. We haven't succeeded yet. All simulation crafts show, with proof, that the Glyph of Life Tap is higher in theoretical dps than the glyph of Immolate. But as you said, it's your opinion. Spirit to chest is actually the higher dps, albeit by a very small margin. Either are acceptable. I agree on this. Once hit capped, spirit to boots is the higher dps. Run speed is situational and can be estimated as a dps increase only. Either are acceptable. Getting into position faster after needing to move might result in higher dps. This isn't included in theoretical iterations, but it's my conclusion after having tested it thoroughly in real-raid circumstances. Death Knight? Death Knights that intend to do max single-target dps are specced into Blood. With the 4x tier 9 bonus Unholy might become superior. After the ArP nerf, blood will yet again reign supreme. So no Unholy DK's in the raid. Life tap for your glyph buff --> Immolate & let your imp start attacking --> Conflagrate --> CoD --> CB --> Incinerate spam --> Conflagrate This rotation is going to cause confusion. Only if you're mentally challenged. - If we're talking about min-maxing this is the starting rotation that provides the highest damage. Quote:
Edit: I'm Benituccio by the way. I wasn't able to clear the private data due to system securety settings, therefore I made the original post with Benituccio. I apologize. Last edited by noctywocty; September 14, 2009 at 02:11 PM.. |
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September 14, 2009, 02:31 PM
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Re: Read before asking help about bad dps
Oh I see, I thought you were trying to outline a guide for lesser experienced raiding Warlocks who had questions, I apologize. Last edited by Evictoray; September 14, 2009 at 02:43 PM.. |
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September 14, 2009, 02:40 PM
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Vulcris 80 Human Warlock Fenris US PvE Guild: End Game Theory Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
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September 14, 2009, 02:44 PM
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Froshaka 80 Blood Elf Warlock Alexstrasza US PvE Guild: Is A Living Legend Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
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September 14, 2009, 02:49 PM
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shdwboxn 80 Undead Warlock daggerspine US PvP Guild: Skeletor Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 0/13/58 |
Re: Read before asking help about bad dps
In a heroic, i thought bosses were only level 82, so the hit thing shouldnt be and issue. I tend to run into this problem when doing 10m raids that doesnt have a spriest or boomkin, in which case i swap in a hit trinket Also I was under the assumption that casting CB outside of backdraft was preferred since it has a shorter cast time, 3x incinerates would benefit more from the haste proc? |
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September 14, 2009, 02:54 PM
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Lavath 80 Blood Elf Warlock Shadow Council US RP Profile: Blizzard Armory Talent Spec: 3/13/55 |
Re: Read before asking help about bad dps
Thanks for getting all of this together in one place that is quick to look at. Also, since this thread will more than likely spawn some difference of opinions, I'd like to remind people to voice those opinions in a polite way. |
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September 14, 2009, 04:18 PM
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Re-gemming shouldn't happen - ever. Basically you only gem for spell power, spell power + haste and spell power + spirit. When you're doing a heroic you can simply swap out your 'hit-gear'. If you don't have anything to replace your 'hit-gear' with, it's no problem either. You'd rather be hit-capped in raids and over hit-capped in heroics than the other way around. |
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