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Old September 14, 2009, 06:34 PM   #21 (permalink)

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3.2 Re: Read before asking help about bad dps

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Originally Posted by noctywocty View Post
I know what the hit-cap is. I'm just saying that for a raiding Warlock it's stupid to cap it at 17%. Hit cap is vital, but worthless after cap.

If there are people who actually prefer to cap it at 17%, suit yourself but it isn't smart and you will not perform like you should.

Let's use your own toon as an example. Let's assume you join a raiding guild with a GM that tries to organize raids efficiently by taking raid synergy into account. This will allow you to get rid of those pesky hit gems and that PvP trinket. This will subsequentially allow you to stack up more spell power and haste, which you really need as these values are extremely low at the moment. Hey and guess what, that Shadow Priest/Moonkin didn't only help you, it helped 15 other member in the raid. It's a win/win situation


I still don't get what backlash and backdraft have to do with anything here? Anyway, Incinerate doesn't 'consume' anything. When receiveing a melee hit, you simply have a chance to gain an instant cast. Backdraft reduces the casting speed of your next three spells.
You do realize you still sound elitist?
The cap is 17%, that is a fact..

In your opinion trying to hit that is to high.
In your opinion no one should ever raid without a boomkin or SP.
In your opinion everyone should have 3 points in suppression.

State those things as opinion and not fact.

We don't all have the luxury of having a boomkin or sp. I should also mention that the majority of help me with my DPS threads are not coming from warlocks who are raiding in a hard core 25 man raiding guilld... it is very likely they may not have either in a raid and need to know what to do in case they do not.

Do I maintain seperate pieces of gear to get me over 17% in case they aren't available, yes I do. Do i have other gear that is higher DPS that puts me at a little over 14%? Yes, I do. But having the knowledge to maintain both it what makes the difference.
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Old September 14, 2009, 06:49 PM   #22 (permalink)

3.2 Re: Read before asking help about bad dps

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You do realize you still sound elitist?
The cap is 17%, that is a fact..

In your opinion trying to hit that is to high.
In your opinion no one should ever raid without a boomkin or SP.
In your opinion everyone should have 3 points in suppression.

State those things as opinion and not fact.

We don't all have the luxury of having a boomkin or sp. I should also mention that the majority of help me with my DPS threads are not coming from warlocks who are raiding in a hard core 25 man raiding guilld... it is very likely they may not have either in a raid and need to know what to do in case they do not.

Do I maintain seperate pieces of gear to get me over 17% in case they aren't available, yes I do. Do i have other gear that is higher DPS that puts me at a little over 14%? Yes, I do. But having the knowledge to maintain both it what makes the difference.
My guild raids 2 steady evenings a week. Is that hard-core? It's a shame that you presume that you only need to perform well if you're a hard-core raider. I'm not, yet I try to give it my all, for the sake of the raid and the guild. The way I sound depends on how you interpret what I say. I'm merely stating facts and correcting where needed.

Whether a player needing help does or doesn't raid in a hard-core guild, doesn't change the fact that he's required to perform well. I'm trying to help those in need to achieve this. If others interpret my tone as elitist, please don't. It's not intended like that.

This image is taken right off the EJ website. The overall advantages of Suppression aren't a mere opinion, they're factual.



Iterations and parses are always based on either 11% hit or 14% hit. BiS sets are based on these values as well. It's not my opinion that itemizing towards 17% is bad my friends. It's a fact.
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Old September 14, 2009, 06:56 PM   #23 (permalink)

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Talent Spec: 0/13/58
Re: Read before asking help about bad dps

The cap is 17%. It is still 17% even with suppression. The fact is you are using suppression to reach that cap, it just means that for you, you need to aim for 14% with regards to gear. I don't really understand what all the fuss is about. This thread is almost becoming more confusing for people, never mind clearing things up.
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Old September 14, 2009, 07:05 PM   #24 (permalink)

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3.2 Re: Read before asking help about bad dps

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Originally Posted by noctywocty View Post
I know what the hit-cap is. I'm just saying that for a raiding Warlock it's stupid to cap it at 17%. Hit cap is vital, but worthless after cap.

If there are people who actually prefer to cap it at 17%, suit yourself but it isn't smart and you will not perform like you should.

Let's use your own toon as an example. Let's assume you join a raiding guild with a GM that tries to organize raids efficiently by taking raid synergy into account. This will allow you to get rid of those pesky hit gems and that PvP trinket. This will subsequentially allow you to stack up more spell power and haste, which you really need as these values are extremely low at the moment. Hey and guess what, that Shadow Priest/Moonkin didn't only help you, it helped 15 other member in the raid. It's a win/win situation


I still don't get what backlash and backdraft have to do with anything here? Anyway, Incinerate doesn't 'consume' anything. When receiveing a melee hit, you simply have a chance to gain an instant cast. Backdraft reduces the casting speed of your next three spells.
So opinions are good as long as they don't disagree with you. Nice

Its nice to know that all the locks running around that are hit capped are stupid. Thank you for that bit of information albiet you are wrong.

As for my toon at least you can look at it while for some reason I can't look at yours. I do know where my toon is lacking which is why I have yet to ask for any advice and just because I am not an active raider anymore doesn't mean I am not knowlegeable on my class and open to agreable and disagreable opinions.

This is taken from the new patch notes:When using Shadowbolt or Incinerate while having Backlash and Backdraft active, only Backlash will now be properly consumed. Which means either none of them are being consumed now or they both are. I had the order mixed up and I apologize for that.
As far as the whole spell rotation I suggest reading the original post if I read it correctly (i am stupid as you have pointed out) there is a spell rotation recomendation, which would work but not an ideal rotation

This will be my last post in this thread and all I have left to say is anyone else who reads this please realize that there is accurate and inaccurate info from everybody on here (myself and the original poster included) so please dont let any of this detour you from asking questions in the DPS and Rotation Help! section which it was intended for.
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Old September 14, 2009, 07:10 PM   #25 (permalink)

3.2 Re: Read before asking help about bad dps

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My toon, knock yourself out. There is no incorrect information in the OP, neither any opinions. It's a summary made out of facts gathered by knowledgeable Warlocks. Feel free to ask questions or arguments for certain statements as they're all based on extensive simulation-crafts and raiding experience. Try to limit yourself to only one thread to keep the den nice and organized. To future readers: Don't take my tone as elitism, it really isn't. I just don't beat around the bush when I notice something wrong. Some appreciate the critisism and act on it, others take offence.

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Old September 14, 2009, 07:31 PM   #26 (permalink)

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3.2 Re: Read before asking help about bad dps

Ok.. this is an argument and is no longer really beneficial. I left it open hoping that people would go back to a more helpful and polite tone, but I don't see that happening.
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